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Post by linsi on Jun 20, 2006 23:00:19 GMT 10
back to Stephen Covey's premise...that HIGHLY EFFECTIVE people are PRINCIPLE CENTRED and not GOD CENTRED.. how does one therefore differentiate a principle centered man to a God centered man?
how does one fulfill the definition of being God centered?
what are the principles of that effective man which is principle centered according to stephen covey. where does this man get his principles and to whom did he pattern it from?
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 19:13:50 GMT 10
back to Stephen Covey's premise...that HIGHLY EFFECTIVE people are PRINCIPLE CENTRED and not GOD CENTRED..
hi ruth
saan daw galing ang foundations ng principles ng taong tinutukoy ni covey sa kanyang libro?
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 19:50:47 GMT 10
walang sinabi sa foreword kung saan base ang principles ni Covery, but from time to time he references some verses in the Bible, specifically dun sa book na 7 Habits for Highly Effective Families
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 21:48:10 GMT 10
walang sinabi sa foreword kung saan base ang principles ni Covery, but from time to time he references some verses in the Bible, specifically dun sa book na 7 Habits for Highly Effective Families
ok, "those who are not against us are for us"
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 23:03:52 GMT 10
Superego nahahati ang superego sa CONSCIENCE AT EGO IDEAL
Ang conscience ang ang nagsasabi ng tama at mali, iniimpluwensyahan nito ang ego na kumbinsihin ang id ng gumawa lang ng tama, yung morally acceptable yung ego ideal na parte ng conscience ay siyang nag lulunsad para gawin ang ideal, perfect goals instilled by society
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id- gusto ko ng chocolate na nasa tindahan
ego- pwede pero wala kang pera
superego- wag mali yan yan ay pagnanakaw, ang pagnanakaw ay isang uri ng krimen.
napakasimple po ng aking ibig sabihin at napaka simple ng mga halimbawa dito-
linsi, thanks for sheding light on Stephen Covey's premise. mabalik lang ako sa premise ni Freud. dun sa article na nabasa ko about THE EGO, HEART, HUMAN SPIRIT at SOUL. The Ego is the desire of the FLESH. I do not know if this is related to Freuds Premise. Pakibasa muna yun post ko sa Spirit vs Soul.
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 23:06:33 GMT 10
tingin ko nakuha ko na ang point mo...na even in the abscence of the Spirit of God...man's ego can possibly cause him to still do good works (kasi yun ang sinasabi ng conscience)...
for example, his sex life can be impeccable, he is not promiscous kahit na zero ang church life at devotional life nya.
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Post by linsi on Jun 24, 2006 21:11:55 GMT 10
tingin ko nakuha ko na ang point mo...na even in the abscence of the Spirit of God...man's ego can possibly cause him to still do good works (kasi yun ang sinasabi ng conscience)... for example, his sex life can be impeccable, he is not promiscous kahit na zero ang church life at devotional life nya.
wait ruth
yan yung aspeto na sinasabi ni kuya banshik na dangerous, what i mean is, wether chritian, pagan or atheist, the conscience is the reflection of God's voice, is is God's voice, built in all of us to prove that all of us are created by one supreme God wether they acknowledge this God or not.
Attribute kc ng ating Diyos ang kabutihan, ang katwiran (righteousness) at hustisya, justice.. which is manifested in the definition of the conscience which i adhere as long as it does not contradict christian doctrines.
as a matter of fact
the flesh the soul the spirit
can be paralleled to the id ego and super ego
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Post by linsi on Jun 24, 2006 21:17:00 GMT 10
to continue..
the flesh is similarly desiring what the id desires which is the pleasure principle
the soul- which others refer to as feelings, functions similarly with the ego, balancing the id..
spirit- acts as the judge,
i have watched the great physicist hawking's black hole theory and at once i related it to the bottomless pit in the book of revelations..
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Post by linsi on Jun 25, 2006 0:37:18 GMT 10
from ruth
na even in the abscence of the Spirit of God...man's ego can possibly cause him to still do good works (kasi yun ang sinasabi ng conscience)...
for me there could never be an absence of the Spirit of God because He is omnipresent, man's conscience ( the super ego and ego ideal) dictates him only to do good therefore in every man there is the voice of God. wether culture or ignorace dictates a man to deny God, God is present.
for example, his sex life can be impeccable, he is not promiscous kahit na zero ang church life at devotional life nya.
I believe that every man is created with an inherent knowledge of God, he may have a low church life or non at all due to many reasons but deep inside him a conscience which guides him to choose only what is right and good, and gives him guilt whenever he does what is wrong and therefore an act of God in every man
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Post by ruth on Jun 26, 2006 18:26:53 GMT 10
hmmm... linsi, kelangan yata supportahan natin ito ng Biblical statements...baka kasi yung mga makakabasa eh igive-up na lang nila ang knowledge about the Bible...knowing that it is inherent knowledge na na me Dyos...
i think what you meant here is...we are equaly given the chance to know God, whether we are born of Christian or non-Christian family
in fact, sa revelations nabanggit na si Christ ay baba so that all nations on earth will be able to hear and see him...in fact magkakaron daw ng 30 minutes of total silence sa earth...bago sya magpakita...
that means..even if evangelists miss a lot of nations in preaching His Word...may chance pa rin sila makarinig...thru the Holy Spirit...and finally sa revelations..si Christ na mismo ang magsasabi sa kanila if the evangelists failed in doing so..
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Post by linsi on Jul 3, 2006 3:39:43 GMT 10
hmmm... linsi, kelangan yata supportahan natin ito ng Biblical statements...baka kasi yung mga makakabasa eh igive-up na lang nila ang knowledge about the Bible...knowing that it is inherent knowledge na na me Dyos...
hi ruth
we have to consider that bible knowledge is also common as head knowledge, the big deal is how to attain salvation, dahil marami sa mga atheist ay alam din nila ang bible at katunayan meron silang annotated bible na pang kontra..
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Post by linsi on Jul 3, 2006 3:46:36 GMT 10
personally, i would rather draw men into the common knowledge that the christian God exist and the next thing they have to know and eventually desire is how to attain salvation through the Christian God. It is easier to draw men nigh to God when they believe that there is a christian God and they are part of the creation of this God.
kc pag atheists or agnostics or hardcore skeptics, jan dadaan talaga sa head knowledge at innitially the battle lies in proving the existance of a God muna
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Post by linsi on Jul 3, 2006 3:51:51 GMT 10
i think what you meant here is...we are equaly given the chance to know God, whether we are born of Christian or non-Christian family
that will eventually cover the discussions as it progresses, i was more into the word "absence of the spirit of God" which for me is ever present.
ganito like our heartbeats, ende na napapansin pero the heart beats and contracts, ganun din ang presence ng Diyos, maaring deny ng iba, hindi cla maniwala, or mag doubt sila but then in their subconsious thoughts there is a part of the brain which acknowledges a supreme being other than us, an intelligent being whom he alone can answer the mysteries of the unknown. and that is God in their subconscious state.
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Post by linsi on Jul 3, 2006 4:18:13 GMT 10
in fact, sa revelations nabanggit na si Christ ay baba so that all nations on earth will be able to hear and see him...in fact magkakaron daw ng 30 minutes of total silence sa earth...bago sya magpakita...
that means..even if evangelists miss a lot of nations in preaching His Word...may chance pa rin sila makarinig...thru the Holy Spirit...and finally sa revelations..si Christ na mismo ang magsasabi sa kanila if the evangelists failed in doing so..
hi ruth
Revelations is the most difficult book of the bible, there is a first and a second stage in christs coming to meet the believers..
the first one is the rapture na tinatawag second one is the the coming down in the mount of olives
yung preaching ng gospel which ang tawag natin ay "great commission, is being done not only through the misisonaries but through the media also at sa fairness ng Lord babalik siya kapag lahat ay nakarinig na.. yung pag tanggap ay choice na ng tao.
sa book of Revelations, Christ will come not as a saviour anymore but as a judge. tapos na po ang grace period.
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Post by ruth on Jul 27, 2006 13:15:29 GMT 10
ang lalim talaga linsi. please bear with me habang inaaral ko pa ito.
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Post by ruth on Jul 27, 2006 23:13:57 GMT 10
“If you…know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?” (Luke 11:13).
What about this verse Linsi? Isnt it that we must request for the Holy Spirit to fill us so that we may be Christ like? that means primarily the Spirit of God is absent and we are only filled by it after repentance of sin, being baptized and praying for the Holy Spirit to fill our beings..
from what I have read, what is present in Man since birth is the spirit of Man not the Spirit of God. we must make a decision first and consciously invite the Holy Spirit to fill us even if the Holy Spirit is just around the corner.
but i also understand your concern, that those who have not heard of Christ, how then will they be able to act according to the will of the Holy Spirit?
i guess the nature of man of being evil exists with its desire to be better, to reach for a Supreme Being to be spiritual. The Holy Spirit calls us to repentance but it must be invited for us to be filled by it.
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Post by ruth on Jul 27, 2006 23:19:23 GMT 10
and yes i agree that the existence of God can be denied by many but they will not be able to prove that God does not exist.
in fact, I believe that unbelievers are also beind used by God to deliver His message and dispence Grace (Parable of The Good Samaritan).
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Post by migy on Oct 15, 2006 22:55:17 GMT 10
i witness to agree with this, yes they can deny God by they cannot explain how it would be possible...
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Post by Always on Aug 25, 2010 21:43:50 GMT 10
I just hope someone could light this up. Good topic!
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Post by dabeyonder on Aug 26, 2010 18:41:23 GMT 10
I will try to give details of my understanding but purely base on my animaginations which are mainly part of the movie, INCEPTION starring Leonardo di Naruto.
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Post by violet on Sept 27, 2010 15:34:58 GMT 10
What is the truth and what is the lie? Humans believe so many lies because we aren't aware. We ignore the truth or we just don't see the truth. When we are educated, we accumulate a lot of knowledge, and all that knowledge is just like a wall of fog that doesn't allow us to perceive the truth, what really is. We only see what we want to see; we only hear what we want to hear. Our belief system is just like a mirror that only shows us what we believe.
from positive thoughts.............
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Post by violet on Sept 27, 2010 15:37:58 GMT 10
I will try to give details of my understanding but purely base on my animaginations which are mainly part of the movie, INCEPTION starring Leonardo di Naruto.
give us your understanding then
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