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Post by rafael on May 23, 2008 2:49:54 GMT 10
As in the days of Noah, Lot, Moses, and most of the Old Testament stories were innocent people, women and children were either drowned, burned or killed as forms of his judgment?
I see no fairness or justice in it.
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Post by linsi on May 24, 2008 1:35:09 GMT 10
As in the days of Noah, Lot, Moses, and most of the Old Testament stories were innocent people, women and children were either drowned, burned or killed as forms of his judgment?
I see no fairness or justice in it.
I think this should require thourough studies about "killing" of "innocent" people, women and children?
there is a principle wherein one innocent, sinless man was killed as a sacrificial lamb to the "slaughter house-" cross- in order to cleanse mankind.
this God's principle must be studied well-
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Post by Always on May 24, 2008 14:28:13 GMT 10
Pareng Migoy will always be right when he keeps on saying to read the Bible in order to understand the realities before us God's Judgment is correlated to the terms "Sons of God" and "sons of men." And it all started in the first book of the Bible - Genesis
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Post by rafael on May 29, 2008 5:20:33 GMT 10
Christianity has many conflicting ideas. Christians form into independent groups to fight each other. If Adam was the first man then there must not be giants and a pre-adamic group of people.
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Post by Always on May 29, 2008 17:37:11 GMT 10
And so are other religions But they have one thing in common though
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Post by rafael on May 30, 2008 1:39:10 GMT 10
We donot discuss commonality, the confusion of having a god who kills innocent people are great contradiction from Him being merciful.
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Post by Always on May 30, 2008 14:28:36 GMT 10
You use commonality on other pages then you try to restrict me on such Neway, to assert my input, I would like to know from you if all humans are children of God?
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Post by rafael on Jun 3, 2008 4:51:17 GMT 10
If man according to christianity is created by god and after the image of god then that makes all men to be children of god
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Post by Always on Jun 3, 2008 7:16:32 GMT 10
I am asking you (your own belief) and not what is according in the Holy Bible
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Post by rafael on Jun 6, 2008 21:42:16 GMT 10
You should be answering me first, why should a god kill? as for being "children of god" that' s difficult to say with different theories at hand.
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Post by Always on Jun 7, 2008 1:15:42 GMT 10
God does not kill his children as defined in the Bible as "Children of God." Since I answered it, now, tell us--are all men children of God?
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Post by rafael on Jun 8, 2008 5:52:46 GMT 10
Be specific, if you say god does not kill his children then why did he allow christ (son of god) to be killed. It is pressumptive that he allowed it to be killed and gives the same meaning.
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Post by rafael on Jun 8, 2008 5:54:46 GMT 10
There are many instances that "christians" are killed deliberately or not, and it is clear that many innocent lives he killed .
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Post by Always on Jun 9, 2008 14:56:57 GMT 10
"Be specific, if you say god does not kill his children then why did he allow christ (son of god) to be killed. It is pressumptive that he allowed it to be killed and gives the same meaning." Still, God did not kill His Son God allowed Jesus to achieve death in order to conquer Death itself (read the Bible) in order to show the world that we must not be afraid of such.
So tell us, where in the Bible that says God kills His own children
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Post by Always on Jun 9, 2008 15:00:26 GMT 10
"There are many instances that "christians" are killed deliberately or not, and it is clear that many innocent lives he killed ." BUT not God People kill people - BUT not God
Since you're evading once again, AGAIN, are all men children of God?
Rafael, are you a child of God?
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Post by Always on Jun 13, 2008 12:57:51 GMT 10
C'mon Rafael, are you a child of God?
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Post by rafael on Jun 17, 2008 1:14:07 GMT 10
God killed all people during the old testament story of the great flood but noah and his family. Don't skip this one rather than asking me anything outside this illustration.
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Post by Always on Jun 18, 2008 14:54:07 GMT 10
Since you are using the OT of the Bible as an illustration, you are bound by it. And it clearly shows that you are not entirely reading the Bible unless, of course, you are deliberately deselecting the words. Just pick the words you want others to know without telling the truth. Because the tenets in the Bible is: God does not kill his own children but punishes children of man.
During the Nohaic period, the children of men were warned of the impending catastrope because of their sins and yet they chose the contrary to be saved.
Since it is relative to the topic, Rafael, are you a child of God? I'm still waiting
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Post by rafael on Jun 20, 2008 2:02:55 GMT 10
During the Nohaic period, the children of men were warned of the impending catastrope because of their sins and yet they chose the contrary to be saved.
Still god killed the inocent children in that flood and until now you haven't answered my question.
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Post by rafael on Jun 20, 2008 2:11:37 GMT 10
Since it is relative to the topic, Rafael, are you a child of God? I'm still waiting
If i am a skeptic then i doubt a god who is father at the same time.If I could believe in that god then I will declare that all men are created by god.
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Post by rafael on Jun 20, 2008 2:18:18 GMT 10
Until now my question is not anwered, and this is addressed to you Always. Why did god allow christ ( his son) to be killed? that is also killing his son through his will.
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Post by migy on Jun 22, 2008 19:21:07 GMT 10
It is simply because God wants us all to be saved!
There is none righteous, ONLY JESUS!
That is why Jesus is the only Perfect Person to redeem us all....
And its up to an individual to believe and accept Him as Lord and Savior or His/Her soul...
Its a matter of Choice...
Again - READ THE BIBLE!
Am asking you to please have time to read and meditate it...
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 16:33:52 GMT 10
Since it is relative to the topic, Rafael, are you a child of God? I'm still waiting
If i am a skeptic then i doubt a god who is father at the same time.If I could believe in that god then I will declare that all men are created by god.
All men are NOT created by God because I always believe that all men are NOT children of God NOW, dwell on this so you may know the real maxim of my faith
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 16:47:32 GMT 10
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Post by leanne. on Jun 28, 2008 18:17:19 GMT 10
Why should a God kill? E kung desisyon Niya yun, pano yan?
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Post by Always on Jun 29, 2008 15:58:37 GMT 10
Everyone must understand God's Mercy in order to know God's wrath
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Post by leanne. on Jun 29, 2008 17:52:44 GMT 10
Always, mukhang dalawa lang tau ngayon Kaya sagot ka uli ha. Hindi pa ba understandable yung mercy ng God? Halimbawa nagpapatawad cya parati, pero parati nga ba? E paano kung abuso na Ano ba talaga ang ibig mong sabihin ng mercy Ibig bang sabihin dahil merciful Siya karapatan nya ang wrath? Ikaw ha nalilito tuloy ako-
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Post by Always on Jul 4, 2008 23:56:10 GMT 10
I'm so sorry Leanne, I missed this one. In a Christian pov kahit na sa mga normal na mga tao tulad natin ang mercy ay laging nauuna kesa sa ating wrath (patawad dko alam ang tagalog nito???) Neway, dba nun panahon ni Noah sinabihan ang lahat ng mga "godless" na magkakaroon ng catastrophe at sa mga taong di magbabago ay hindi masasagip (saved)? So nandun muna ang awa bago ang parusa Ganun din ang nangyari sa Sodo dba? at ganun din ang nangyari sa mga Canaanites At maniwala ka man sa hindi eh nangyari din iyan ke Haring Saul basta lang ba makumpleto mo ang magbabasa ng mga bersikulo sa Bibliya
Tulad natin ngaun, alam natin ang makakasama sa ating sarili at sa ibang tao na nakasaad sa Bilbliya ang lahat at dahil mismo sa Grasya ng Diyos ay nanjan mismo nakasalin ang Kanya Awa Ang Lalim Anoh? Lindsay, Parekoy nasaan kayo kasi this area is your specialty noh
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Post by linsi on Jul 6, 2008 23:54:24 GMT 10
So now you came to a point were mecy is "almost" higher than justice..
i remember on one of our discussions kung alin ang mas mataas justice or mercy- hindi yun natapos, sana maka discuss further-
that' s why God offers the mercy seat first than the judgment seat-- kc pag judgment na wala na i--- retrievable nah.
hmmm i wish i could read more--
on with the main topic
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Post by linsi on Jul 7, 2008 15:11:38 GMT 10
I think Always has a pre-tribultion stance migy and leanne.
Don't you think?
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