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Post by rafael on Oct 5, 2006 1:50:11 GMT 10
My thoughts run on "emphasis" and so the "theists" comprehends a river through the mind of a tea cup, and salvation is non-comprehensible is that so? i do not see a convincing factor with religion beneficial to man but otherwise,and yet a theist keep on shooting missing a target.
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Post by Always on Oct 6, 2006 5:16:15 GMT 10
[/bYou initially introduced chaos, before we get lost on something else, it is best to define who is more superior to face chaotic situation, with an example between dogs and man and who plays the protector and the protected.I earlier mentioned that man made animals beasts of burdens due to his intelligence, Reciprocity and/or complements do take place between two forces complementing each other. Who does get lost in confusions? Is it the upper intelligence or the lower ones? Assuming that dogs protect the master that could only be possible if the dog is domesticated and trained to protect. That is again possible when master-dog relationship is eshtablished In this stage, the master develops the protective mechanism for his dog.
In the wild it isn’t so, man and dog has only one way process each, both to protect themselves from each other.
Man develops more sophistications in terms of protection, he made bullet proof vests, walls, windows, electrically charged fences, security guards and a keen sense of analysis against enemies.Man has developed bunkers, underground shelters and many more as forms of protection. Dogs cannot do this.
What I am trying to say is that “chaotic situation” you earlier stated is a phenomenon suited only for the fittest to survive and between man and dog the latter will die.
Between God and man, the latter will fall.
The chaos I implied will stay as it is as explained from prior pages. You differentiate man from that of a dog and still you do not really know why dogs are man's best friends. Will your best friends have to wear bullet proof vests in order to protect you from bullets? Do they have to wear that always? I doubt that and I am pretty sure they do not need training for that. :-[Man's relationship with God as his best friend does not need training and theists always believe that by protecting and defending his faith is a step closer of knowing Him and if we Love God, we demonstrate it through serving our fellow man. It is our duty just as a dog which serves his master
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Post by Always on Oct 6, 2006 5:35:47 GMT 10
My thoughts run on "emphasis" and so the "theists" comprehends a river through the mind of a tea cup, and salvation is non-comprehensible is that so? i do not see a convincing factor with religion beneficial to man but otherwise,and yet a theist keep on shooting missing a target.
Christian Ethics requires a firm commitment to and an unflagging zeal for what is right and good in the Creator's sight and by abiding to such is the path towards salvation. By that, is salvation non-comprehensible if man himself knows the consequence of separating himself from a relationship from God? :-[Man realize that the concept of accountabiity is built into the very fabric of human life. God did not give us the laws for us not to understand them and without a final judgment of every consequence, moral values are rendered meaningless.
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Post by rafael on Oct 10, 2006 4:05:37 GMT 10
Christian Ethics requires a firm commitment to and an unflagging zeal for what is right and good in the Creator's sight and by abiding to such is the path towards salvation. By that, is salvation non-comprehensible if man himself knows the consequence of separating himself from a relationship from God? :-[Man realize that the concept of accountabiity is built into the very fabric of human life. God did not give us the laws for us not to understand them and without a final judgment of every consequence, moral values are rendered meaningless.
Could Christian Ethics mean legalism? Where does the relationship comes in?
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 12:07:16 GMT 10
Christians are called to "love the Lord thy God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself" (Luke 10:27) This command, like all of the other commands in the Bible, implies that Christians have responsibilities and utmost relationship
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Post by rafael on Oct 11, 2006 3:32:34 GMT 10
Not only Christians teach about “love” how about other religions who tech the same? How do they get “relationships” to their ‘salvation?” I said legalism because as I see it, religious people together with theists do not care where you get your notions about “ethics” as long as you don’t get it from yourself. They always declare an “image of a God” in mankind and yet they always base religion in external authority which is hard to point at.
So where is the drawing line between legalism and relationship?
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Post by Always on Oct 11, 2006 4:16:21 GMT 10
Christians believe that God has provided laws (and a means of discovering those laws) for mankind . "God is the only Legislator," as Carl Henry once said on page 2 of his book Twilight of a Great Civiliazation; " Earthly rulers and legislative bodies are alike accountable to Him from whom sterns all obligations--religious, ethical and civil."
If that is true, then, it presents serious implications for all mankind, and not only in the facet of mere legalism but the whole realm of law. This becomes obvious when one examines the assumptions and consequent failings implicit to every man-centered system of law. System which deny God as Law-giver ultimately fail and will always adversely affect every individual mired in them. They fail because they recognize neither the dignity of man created in the image of God nor the fallen nature of man.
God revealed his law to mankind, generally through natural law. Every person has a conscience-some inherent sense of right and wrong as is in Roman 2:14 When Paul advocated such relationship between man and God
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Post by rafael on Oct 12, 2006 4:58:49 GMT 10
Most theists say that God is “above morality” - God does is by definition “good”, and any rules he gives us don’t apply to him. If we kill it is immoral, if he kills it is good but morality is defined by what society believes, including the decisions of that conscience.
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Post by migy on Oct 18, 2006 6:17:46 GMT 10
Commercial muna...
A man can label a man, but men cannot label the real purpose of men that God has been given...
sige po continue po...
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 3:48:42 GMT 10
Why would He kill in the first place In order for one to know the real definition of God's Wrath, one has to know the very meaning of God's Mercy
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Post by migy on Nov 13, 2006 0:34:19 GMT 10
In addition to have Faith in Him in Spirit and in Truth... Hi Parekoy... Musta sa lahat...
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Post by Always on Mar 5, 2007 9:13:40 GMT 10
Christian Psychology's view of human nature grants the individual moral responsibility, works to reconcile the individual with God, and gives meaning to suffering
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Post by brnd on Mar 20, 2007 14:19:45 GMT 10
Truth, it is relative unless otherwise proven.
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Post by leanne. on Mar 23, 2007 9:41:11 GMT 10
Yang truth na yan tlaga ang inilalaban kahit saan makarating,
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Post by migy on Oct 7, 2007 21:39:02 GMT 10
Yeah, i agree... But the thing is Only God can manifest with His Truthfullness, lahat kase fall short eh, Romans 3:10, lahat nagkasala wala matuwid wala kahit isa, Romans 3:23, 6:23
buti parang sabihin na, Only God knows the Truth and He allowed us to accept only the Truth... and that Truth is JESUS CHRIST...
tanggapin man nila o hindi, basta yan ang pagkaka unawa ko sa TRUTH,
the TRUTH am telling is TRUTH as far as TRUTH is concern, for it is TRUTH who reveals the TRUTH....
wak malito! basahin lang at malalaman natin ang TRUTH...
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Post by Always on May 26, 2008 14:58:25 GMT 10
"He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul." ~~ Genesis 2:7 Christian Psychology appears, at first glance, to be a contradiction in terms. If by chance you do have, and after examining both Marxist and Humanist psychology and touching on still other theories of "secular" psychology, the Christian is tempted to conclude that psychology is a discipline unworthy of his attention.
Do you think that is ever the case? Anyone?
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Post by rafael on May 29, 2008 5:07:35 GMT 10
Christians donot find the easy way out to explain mental ailments. Christians depend much on mental health professionals.
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Post by Always on May 29, 2008 17:34:42 GMT 10
I like your answer and I will give you more time to research your ground
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Post by rafael on Jun 3, 2008 5:18:21 GMT 10
Secular counseling models adoptability proves scientific and effective, than religous approach to crisis.( Alcoholism, Drug abuse, Fear and other Mental Disorders)
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Post by Always on Jun 3, 2008 7:10:44 GMT 10
What kind of secular counseling are you talking about? Btw, secular psychology is not even scientific ;D
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Post by rafael on Jun 6, 2008 21:33:06 GMT 10
What kind of secular counseling are you talking about? Btw, secular psychology is not even scientific ;D
Psychology is about behavior of man, disorders in mental /emotional behavior lead people to seek the help of psychiatrist or psychologist rather than a religious clerk or a priest.
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Post by Always on Jun 7, 2008 0:50:56 GMT 10
Again, it did not answer my question What kind of secular counselling are you talking about? Okay let me give you a clue with a question Why do good people do bad things?
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Post by rafael on Jun 8, 2008 5:43:49 GMT 10
Secular counselling simply means an approach different from religious or christian counselling and most often seeks to help a person adjust to difficult circumstances and one example is "education", i thought you knew it. Repeating what i said, it seeks more help on professional (secular) level help rather than priests or clergies.
The processes may include client education, behavioral techniques, and cognitive restructuring (changing one’s thoughts), just to name a few. But the end goal will most likely be some type of adaptation that provides symptom relief.
It is easier and more attainable. How could you rule this out?
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Post by Always on Jun 9, 2008 14:40:13 GMT 10
You did not answer again of what kind You only mentioned the difference in terms but not the difference in process Let me spoonfeed you then and please tell us on how you approach "psychological guilt" in secular counselling?
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Post by Always on Jun 13, 2008 12:31:56 GMT 10
I'm still waiting
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Post by rafael on Jun 17, 2008 0:59:09 GMT 10
I'll give you back your spoon.When you are sent to the guidance counselor after engaging in a fight inside your middle school ground what is that?
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Post by Always on Jun 18, 2008 19:25:14 GMT 10
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Post by migy on Jun 19, 2008 16:19:26 GMT 10
Hi Rafael,
Always is Right Rafael...
You have to give it a shot, Read the Bible, Ask God, Talk to God... "you'll see - He will tell you more about the wonderful and amazing promised that He has for all of us, we have to do is believe and have Faith..."
Man, we don't have nothing to offer you but the Love that God had given us, the Faith that God molds us, we are a sinner but by the grace of God we do believe God controls and save souls and we believe that He can changes you, there's no harm in believing God, i am sharing this because i have experience His love...
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Post by rafael on Jun 20, 2008 1:53:40 GMT 10
Atheists and Agnotics are both skeptics, doubts exist naturally among individuals given the ability to think, my questions seem to be simple but the same kind of nature clouds the minds who refuse to be fanatical leaving all reason behind.
And don't you think that anger is not psychological guilt from what i illustrated and from what you said?
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Post by migy on Jun 22, 2008 19:41:07 GMT 10
Just please try to think about it...
There's none to be afraid of, nothing to to loose at all...
why not try right?
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