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Post by linsi on Mar 1, 2009 21:57:10 GMT 10
All about cleansing...
I hope many will come and do some research in our free time about this great flood in Noah's time.
Genesis 6:11 "Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence.
No doubt the world had to be an extremely sinful place for God to destroy it using the great flood
If the heavens and the earth and the whole of the Universe were corrupted and the world experienced that great flood for cleansing, how about the fishes in the seas? Were they cleansed? How? Surely they did not get drown, did they also experience cleansing?
Paano? The water that flooded met with the old seas , oceans and rivers hmmm basa- aral...nga.
Always, Supremo, migs, any idea?
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Post by Always on Mar 2, 2009 0:16:07 GMT 10
All fish in the sea do not need cleansing bcuz they are better eaten raw - sashimi style. Before I give you an answer to this, one must first determine whether the flood occurred all over the world or Noah's flood happened only in one region.
My Stand: The FLOOD of NOAH is regional!
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Post by delta on Mar 4, 2009 14:29:40 GMT 10
Regional ba yun? Akala ko ay Global
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Post by Always on Mar 20, 2009 10:00:20 GMT 10
"Regional ba yun? Akala ko ay Global " Delta, ipo-post ko lang ang tatlong versions ng Holy Bible ha:
1] from ESV
2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2] from NKJV
2 Peter 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, [one of] eight [people], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
3] from NIV
2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
May napansin kabah? Itutuloy ko na lang mamaya ha para naman mapag-isipan ng mga ibang readers kung ano ang rason behind those scriptural versions.
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Post by mrExdobal on Mar 21, 2009 17:00:44 GMT 10
Sa pagkakaunawa ko din ay pandaigdigan o pang sangkatauhan ang baha. Dahil sa Genesis 6:7 sabi niya ang ganito I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. At ang naligtas lang ay ang pamilya ni Noeh, maliban sa kanila ang sansinukob ay nalunod sa baha kaya ang pagkakaunawa dito ay malawakang pandaigdigan hindi rehiyonal.
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Post by leanne. on Mar 22, 2009 1:12:00 GMT 10
Honga di ba sabi nga sa sobrang sama ng tao, kaya nagka flood meron pang verse na quote ni ate linsi na nagsisi ang Lord kung bakit ginawa pa Niya ang tao ? di ba? di ba?" di ba?"
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Post by Always on Mar 25, 2009 12:35:37 GMT 10
"Sa pagkakaunawa ko din ay pandaigdigan o pang sangkatauhan ang baha. Dahil sa Genesis 6:7 sabi niya ang ganito I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. At ang naligtas lang ay ang pamilya ni Noeh, maliban sa kanila ang sansinukob ay nalunod sa baha kaya ang pagkakaunawa dito ay malawakang pandaigdigan hindi rehiyonal."
This is the problem when science is misunderstood when in fact it is only there to prove the authenticity of the Bible. Just like most archaeologists and other scientists, I believe that Noah's flood is regional but not the entirety of the whole world because of one(2) reasons alone - the Bible's Timetable and its Geneaology.
But before I go deeper into that gusto me magbigay ng isang example about two lovers or mag-syota:
Sila Felipe at Yvette ay nagmamahalan ng husto; para sa kanila ay wala silang pakialam sa mundo. Umiikot lang ang mundo nila sa isa't isa. But, meron nangyari sa relasyon nila at iniwan ni Yvette si Ipe. Nalungkot ang lalake at noon lang siya umiyak kasi first love nga niya ang babae. Hindi siya makapag-move-on dahil para sa kanya si Yvette ang tangi niyang mundo. Nagunaw ang mundo niya ... Ooops hanggang dito na lang hehehehe
Well, what I am trying to say is just take a closer look at those verses I posted above which I underlined and highlighted. the most common of them is the phrase, "... world of the ungodly." o ang mundo ng masasama at kapag broken heart ka naman ay ang mundo ni Felipe.
Nasaan ba ang mundo ng mga ungodly na nakasulat sa Bible? Hindi naman natin pwedeng sabihin na ang mga ungodly ay meron din sa Tsina, Amerika, sa Yuropa, o sa Latina dahil nga ay hindi pa nangyayari ang dispersion ng mga tao na naganap sa Tower of Babel.
Kaya ang mundo ng mga ungodly na tinukoy sa Bible ay sa region lang ng Near East at hindi ang buong mundo dahil nga wala pang ibang tao sa ibang lugar. At isa pa ay may mga scientists din na nagsasabi na wala pang mga land masses noon sa ibang lugar at maaring nag-appear lang ito noong nagaganap na ang paggawa ng mga Ziggurats sa Near East o sa bandang Mesopotamia(Babylon na ngaun ay Iraq).
Yan lang po ha muna sa ngaun
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Post by leanne. on Mar 28, 2009 11:21:05 GMT 10
pero pero pero, esep muna.
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Post by delta on Apr 4, 2009 15:11:58 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Apr 6, 2009 17:30:28 GMT 10
pero pero pero, esep muna.
Kasi poh ganito yun: Hindi pa nasasakop ng tao ang buong mundo noong panahon ni Noah; dahil lamang sa isang dahil and one reason only--hindi pa nagaganap ang dispersion of people na nangyari sa Tower of Babel. At ang tinukoy lamang ay ang mundo ng mga unbelievers o ungodly for it is written in the Holy Bible: 2 Peter 2:5 "if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;"
Nakita ninyo naman na very specific ang ginawa ng Diyos. At dito ninyo din makikita na ang Bible can co-exist with modern science.
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Post by delta on Apr 11, 2009 23:41:16 GMT 10
Eto na naman ang isang di mapag kasunduan Dalawang mundo? Isang ungodly at isang godly. Kung ayaw tanggapin ng kabila at di magkasundo agri uli to disagri
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Post by delta on Apr 11, 2009 23:42:49 GMT 10
Naiisip ko sa mga usapan dito parang hindi pareho frequency- Analog yung isa, yung isa Digital o di kaya yung isa FM yung isa AM. Pis
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Post by Always on Apr 11, 2009 23:49:38 GMT 10
Eto na naman ang isang di mapag kasunduan Dalawang mundo? Isang ungodly at isang godly. Kung ayaw tanggapin ng kabila at di magkasundo agri uli to disagri
Noon panahon ni Noah ay ang pamilya lang niya ang sumunod sa mga utos ng Diyos samantala ang iba ay hindi at simpleng logic lang naman ang kelangan eh na hindi pa nagaganap ang dispersion sa Babel. Isa pa, malinaw ang nakasulat sa Bibliya na mundo lang ng mga unbelievers ang nilunod at very specific pa na ito ay ang ancient world meaning wala pa ang Amerika, Tsina o Russo noon.
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Post by rafael on Apr 12, 2009 5:47:04 GMT 10
To all readers of P7 all should know by now that the word used in every form means a massive interpretation that needs thorough studies pushing burdens to simple minds. Bible and Science as presented by our good friend Always cannot just be grasped easily through ordinary reading.
When he says the world of unbelievers it may mean a metaphor as illustrated by the word "kosmos"
"Kosmos" is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein
"Kosmos" is used of the earth: John 13:1; Eph. 1:4, etc., etc.- "When Jesus knew that his hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father
"Kosmos" is used of the world-system: John 12:31 etc. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the Prince of this world be cast out"โ compare Matt. 4:8 and I John 5:19, R. V.
"Kosmos" is used of the whole human race: Rom. 3: 19, etc which unfortunately most of the people here use this definition entirely different from the intellectual superiority of our friend Always in which he will not agree to compromise as one aspect of your truth
"Kosmos" is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom which again used by one person as presented in the Great Flood as the world of unbelievers or believers as the case maybe.
"Kosmos" is used of Gentiles in contrast from Jews: Rom. 11:12
"Kosmos" is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47;
Thus it will be seen that "kosmos" has at least seven clearly defined different meanings in the New Testament
www.apuritansmind.com/Arminianism/AWPinkMeaningOfKosmos.htm
so i suggest that all here routinely check books and online informations before engaging to Always not unless he will find the courage to enter into the simple "kosmos" of P7 shall you find what you seek.
Better yet check his definition of hell, you may find his light at the end of his tunnel.
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Post by Always on Apr 15, 2009 17:00:24 GMT 10
One looks back with appreciation to the keen observers, but with gratitude to those who touched our human feelings. Thanks for the flattery Rafael, it is so gratifying and very encouraging in a way that we all learn from our shortcomings. And that deep down below the surface of our average conscience a still, small voice says to us, something is out of tune.
In its simplest sense, we cannot change anything until we accept it, for the reason that if not by will then we should not pretend to understand the Kosmos by intellect. The judgment of the intellect is only part of the truth.
☻/ /ยจโ / \ Again, thank you Rafael!
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Post by rowtide on Apr 17, 2009 1:17:11 GMT 10
Variations? Perceptions?
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Post by rowtide on Apr 17, 2009 1:21:05 GMT 10
To all readers of P7 all should know by now that the word used in every form means a massive interpretation that needs thorough studies pushing burdens to simple minds. Bible and Science as presented by our good friend Always cannot just be grasped easily through ordinary reading.
When he says the world of unbelievers it may mean a metaphor as illustrated by the word "kosmos"
Kosmos is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein
Kosmos is used of the earth: John 13:1; Eph. 1:4, etc., etc.- "When Jesus knew that his hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father
Kosmos is used of the world-system: John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the Prince of this world be cast out โ compare Matt. 4:8 and I John 5:19, R. V.
Kosmos" is used of the whole human race: Rom. 3: 19, etc which unfortunately most of the people here use this definition entirely different from the intellectual superiority of our friend Always in which he will not agree to compromise as one aspect of your truth
Thus it will be seen that "kosmos has at least seven clearly defined different meanings in the New Testament
Different worlds? different interpretatons? different meanings? different perceptions?
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Post by Always on Apr 17, 2009 18:36:46 GMT 10
Rowtide: "Different worlds? different interpretatons? different meanings? different perceptions?" Hello Rowtide! Hindi different sa 'interpretations' o different in 'meanings' pero tama ka na different perceptions dahil kung ano ang correlations nito sa ibang salita ng Diyos ay dun lang natin ito talaga maitutuwid. How do we do it though? First when the truth of the conclusion is purported to follow necessarily or be a logical consequence of the premise such as the ancient world in the "world" of the "ungodly," then, it is evaluated as deductive logic. Chapter 5 of the Book of Genesis can correlate with us the backward process in the Geneaology of Noah as to whom he came from down to the progenitors, Adam & Eve.
Instead of progression, I am using regression as in Lamech was the father of Noah, as Methuselah was the father of Lamech as it goes down to the first couple. Knowing this in mind Rowtide, do you believe that with one language amongst them as a form of comunication could easily populate the entire world as in its literal way of populating the entire planet?
Perhaps
The initial perception tells us that, yes, the ungodlies could indeed populate the entire planet as far as Northern & Southern continents of America or even closer as China or Russia. But instead of a solution, another question arises: Have they(lands) already existed during that period?
Hmmm, what do you think?
Correlation of Genesis 10 shows us the generation of Noah after the Flood(Gen 7 & 8) and before the dispersion in the Tower of Babel (Gen 11). But the most important of all about Chapter 10 in the Book of Genesis is THE TABLE OF NATIONS that begins with Noah's three(3) sons:- HAM (Hamitic AFRICA)
forefather of the southern peoples
- SHEM (Semitic)
forefather of the middle peoples
- JAPHET (Japhetic EURASIA)
forefather of northern peoples and once you read the Table(whole chapter) itself, it gives full details of their descendants ... and not only that ... take a full look and have an open mind about the image below
or click here: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Noahsworld_map.jpg
Well, it didn't show the other parts of the world; thus, it is safe to say that the ungodlies could have not been in the Americas, China, Philippines, Micronesia or anywhere else except only to the World as Known to the Hebrews, which account to only one region of the world - World of the Ungodly.
Btw, try to read the AXIOM of CREATION, my above post will be tackled there in fuller extent.
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