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Post by linsi on Mar 5, 2009 22:10:50 GMT 10
Apparent ly there is the reality that there is no plan of redemption for fallen angels. As the writer of the book of Hebrews states: “For verily not to angels does he give help, but he gives help to the seed of Abraham” (2:16).
No chance of redemption sa mga rebel angels (fallen angels)
Bakit kaya?
The clear implication is that angels have no Redeemer! Once lost, they are hopelessly, eternally lost. ;D
If angels are superior in intelligence then they should also have the knowledge that repentance is the way to redemption through Christ-
Why don't they repent? dahil wala na talagang redemption?Let's have a little skeptical thinking, would that be fair? surely there is a reason. WHY? ? ? ?
supremo, jiro, migs, ruth , always, leanne? - rebyuhin po natin to
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Post by linsi on Mar 5, 2009 22:25:17 GMT 10
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him
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Post by linsi on Mar 5, 2009 22:27:02 GMT 10
I think angels have no wings.. so how are they described?
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Post by migy on Mar 5, 2009 22:48:41 GMT 10
kakalungkot lang isipin na wala na silang chances and to think na ang Lord lang ang may magagawa...
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Post by migy on Mar 5, 2009 22:49:26 GMT 10
what i mean is, kung bibigyan ng Chance ng Lord sila maganda pero as the Bible says - hopeless nga talaga as per His Word.
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Post by migy on Mar 5, 2009 22:52:01 GMT 10
The Bible alludes to fallen angels in II Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. I John 3:8, states that the devil sinned from the beginning. Too, there is an indication that the devil came under condemnation (I Timothy 3:6).
Satan is called the "god of this world" II Corinthians 4:4. The world is Satan's arena. "World" as used here denotes people who are alienated from God, who are controlled by the thoughts and pursuits of this present time.
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Post by leanne. on Mar 9, 2009 20:57:58 GMT 10
Kung ang mga angels ay may freewill din, ang mga fallen angels ay may freewill na yayain ang mga mabubuting angels na kumampi sa kanila at pwedeng bumaliktad pa rin ang mga yan di ba? kse freewill di ba? ano kaya? ;D
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Post by leanne. on Mar 9, 2009 21:01:05 GMT 10
what i mean is, kung bibigyan ng Chance ng Lord sila maganda pero as the Bible says - hopeless nga talaga as per His Word. Kung may freewill ang mga angels, dapat yung ibang fallen angels makaisip mag sisi kase nga freewill pero wala akong nababasang ganun? ;D
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Post by Always on Mar 11, 2009 8:21:30 GMT 10
My Angel Gabriel
I can fly But I want his wings I can shine even in the darkness But I crave the light that he brings Revel in the songs that he sings My angel Gabriel
I can love But I need his heart I am strong even on my own But from him I never want to part He's been there since the very start My angel Gabriel My angel Gabriel
Bless the day he came to be Angel's wings carried him to me Heavenly I can fly But I want his wings I can shine even in the darkness But I crave the light that he brings Revel in the songs that he sings My angel Gabriel My angel Gabriel My angel Gabriel
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Post by violet on Mar 12, 2009 12:08:56 GMT 10
what i mean is, kung bibigyan ng Chance ng Lord sila maganda pero as the Bible says - hopeless nga talaga as per His Word. Kung may freewill ang mga angels, dapat yung ibang fallen angels makaisip mag sisi kase nga freewill pero wala akong nababasang ganun? ;D Kc nga fallen angels are doomed- one time lang ang kanilang ginawa, first and last at ang sentensya ay- papuntang damnation.
Bakit nga ganun? Asan na ba si Sir Supremo at samahan si Sir Always sa mga sagot? Bakit walang kapatawaran sa mga fallen angels?
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Post by Always on Mar 20, 2009 9:42:47 GMT 10
FREEWILL of defferent form
It matters most on how they were created. The Angels do not have a sin nature because they were created in as holy in nature. Whereas, us humans were created differently because of our descent from Adam. This way, we must also understand that our freewill is different that that of the Angels including the Fallen Ones. Thus, Angels as whole never have the mix of good and bad often found in us. In whatever manner, God created them with the ability and responsibility of Self-Determination.
Angels were created in the estate of Holiness, the same estate of consciousness that both Adam & Eve possessed before their freewill made a descent toward an inferior state of consciousness. True, that like Angels, the progenitor (our foreparents) were also created Holy with the semblance of self-determination. The above illustrations may not show much but if one has to look closely in them "1a" were in the quality of the highest order of God's creation but because of improper use of self-determination it resulted in the effectuation of "1b". 1b is the sinned state of a being and the only difference is that the sin committed in illustration one (fallen angels) was done with pride; whereas, mankind had been inputted by the sins of our progenitors(Adam & Eve) through the temptation of a Fallen Angel. Nobody tempted the Fallens except of their pride and it also shows justification to the school of thought that man is inherently evil.
Analogy to the matter: The Office of the Attorney General varies from state to state. The position(estate) can be attained in two different ways, it is either by appointment or through election. But if you abuse your estate(position), you are deemed to suffer loss of such possession and undergo different forms of deprivation. This is the same with "1b" as explained before this current paragraph.
NEXT: REDEMPTION
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Post by mrExdobal on Mar 21, 2009 17:26:01 GMT 10
FREEWILL of defferent form
It matters most on how they were created. The Angels do not have a sin nature because they were created in as holy in nature. Whereas, us humans were created differently because of our descent from Adam. This way, we must also understand that our freewill is different that that of the Angels including the Fallen Ones. Thus, Angels as whole never have the mix of good and bad often found in us. In whatever manner, God created them with the ability and responsibility of Self-Determination.
Pwede bang linawin uli? Ang malayang pagpili ay iisa, at walang nilikhang masama ang Diyos. Parehong ginamit ni Lucifer at Adan ang kalayaang gumawa ng masama.
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Post by mrExdobal on Mar 21, 2009 17:27:44 GMT 10
I think angels have no wings.. so how are they described?
Intelligent being sila, kaya nga nakakapagtaka kung bakit pinili ni Lucifer ang mag rebelde samantalang ubod siya ng talino. Dapat alam nya ang resulta ng gagawin niya tama ba?
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Post by mrExdobal on Mar 21, 2009 17:28:42 GMT 10
Kung ang mga angels ay may freewill din, ang mga fallen angels ay may freewill na yayain ang mga mabubuting angels na kumampi sa kanila at pwedeng bumaliktad pa rin ang mga yan di ba? kse freewill di ba? ano kaya? ;D Tanong ko rin yan.
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Post by Always on Mar 31, 2009 10:39:13 GMT 10
If you don't like my jokes, I'm pretty sure you'll like my reply on this topic.
Later!
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Post by jesse2b on Nov 11, 2009 1:38:28 GMT 10
For by nature, man was created differently from the angels. Man was created in the image and likeness of THE KING to dominate the earth.(Gen 1:26) Angels on the other hand are warriors or ministers of the king. However, the fall of man into sin, removed him from rulership of Gods creation on earth. This is the reason God sent Jesus on earth to restore it FOR THOSE WHO WILL BELIEVE IN HIM. " I have given you power and authority over all the power of the enemy" ...jesus said in luke 10:19. So if we accepted Jesus in our heart, God made us a co-heir of Christ (Gal 4:7, John 1:12). If sons, or heirs of the Kingdom of God, then His servants our servants, His ministers our ministers, and His warriors our warriors.( hebrew 1:13-14). Believers of Christ, who are sons and daughters of the MOST HIGH GOD by acceptance of Jesus Christ (john 1:12) are higher than the angels and is not to be compared to since heirs of salvation is man(only those that accepted jesus in thier hearts as their Lord and savior) not the angels.
As for the angels, 2 Peter 2:4 said, God did not spare the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement. And also in Jude 6, And the angels which did not keep their first estate, but left their own habitation, he had them reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
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Post by linsi on Nov 12, 2009 0:25:59 GMT 10
Intelligent being sila, kaya nga nakakapagtaka kung bakit pinili ni Lucifer ang mag rebelde samantalang ubod siya ng talino. Dapat alam nya ang resulta ng gagawin niya tama ba?
Ibalik po natin sa dating tanong-
Kc nga fallen angels are doomed- one time lang ang kanilang ginawa, first and last at ang sentensya ay- papuntang damnation.
Bakit walang kapatawaran sa mga fallen angels?
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Post by dabeyonder on Aug 26, 2010 22:21:21 GMT 10
Well b4, I've fallen in love with an angel BUT my angel fell
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Post by violet on Dec 18, 2010 0:28:51 GMT 10
if angels have freewill, do some of them defect to the fallen ones at present?
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Post by Always on Dec 18, 2010 10:17:06 GMT 10
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