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Post by Always on Aug 16, 2008 21:50:34 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Aug 16, 2008 23:04:00 GMT 10
hmmm, palagay ko iba ang presentations pag dating dito dahil if people will take this literally it will fall on predestination , i may say that God knows what will happen because of freewill exercised by Lucier-
If angels are created immortals, man will also be in due time- If angels are immortals then Satan could not be destroyed.
ang tanong: sa inyong palagay, bakit ang angels ay created immortals, kc Satan as a fallen angel could never be destroyed because he is immortal. ;D
minsan kc kahit sa bible may mga pesentations na kakaiba at kailangan ang exposition para ito ma decipher.
kukuha muna me ng tylenol
At first glance, yeah it may fall sa predestination tulad sa mga turo nila John Calvin at St. Augustine of Hippo but if you notice my linear illustration of from point A to point B as a 30-year timeline. 27 years of which are past 1 year is present and 2 years are the future years. God may see the past, the present, and the future so that God effectively knows the future. If God in some sense knows ahead of time what will happen, then events in the universe are effectively predetermined from God's point of view. Thus, it is a form of determinism and not predestination since the latter term implies that God actually determined (rather than simply seen) in advance the results of His Majestic Plan.
One must know that God's role in His progressive creation is by setting up different destinies such as the New Heaven and New Earth. What if cosmic waves hit our planet Earth in the future and the Earth's core got affected and weakened the Earth's Magnetic Field. Earth will be very vulnerable to cosmic bombardment and will diminish its ability to support life. Then there are ultimate destinies called eternal life and eternal damnation. And the variables to this effect are God's given freewill to His creatures and and mankind's responsibility as moral agents.
Did God create Lucifer with a purpose in mind?
Check & reasearch these out:
* [/b]Kavka's Toxin Puzzle * Newcomb's Paradox (Problem) [/color]
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Post by leanne. on Aug 19, 2008 7:13:16 GMT 10
It means that all the failings of Lucifer into becoming Satan of this world and dark energy of the universe had been conceived to happen as part of God's majestic plan. God used evil into the universe in order for it to be created and this is the very reason why angels are created immortals in order to have lasting energies in them.
HUH! Ain't this far-fetched? ;D
had been conceived? God used evil? Always, hindi kaya dangerous yun lalo at mga bago ang makakabasa? Kase sa choice ng words at parang walang freewill kc conceived ang ginamit na word, pati yung God using evil. Yun ang makikita. Basahin ko ulet.
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Post by migy on Aug 19, 2008 16:24:39 GMT 10
malalim na katuruan na kase yan, and without meditation maliligaw ka talaga, unless talagang yan ang gift mo...
kakatuwa talaga gift ng first two na yan... wow talaga...!
i mean, ibat iba talaga ang gift na binigay ng Diyos sa Tao, it does concludes we all have a uniqueness form...
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Post by rowtide on Aug 21, 2008 11:17:34 GMT 10
Sino ba talaga ang in-charge ngayon?
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Post by migy on Aug 24, 2008 20:34:56 GMT 10
ikaw na yata row ang naka line up...
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Post by Always on Aug 25, 2008 23:48:30 GMT 10
Totoo na kapag nabasa ito ng mga bago pa sa Bible ay mabibigla. Pero dapat natin harapin ang katotohanan na ang Diyos is using evil that in a sense is not actually evil as the one use by the devil.
**Jeremiah 11:22 therefore this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish them. Their young men will die by the sword, their sons and daughters by famine.(NIV)
The question now is, why would a good God let young men die by the sword and their children die by famine? Isn't that evil in itself?
**Jeremiah 19:8 I will devastate this city and make it an object of scorn; all who pass by will be appalled and will scoff because of all its wounds.(NIV)
Ain't this the same thing of what God did to Sodom & Gomorrah? Devastating a city can involve innocent people.
**Jeremiah 19:9 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.’ (NIV)
A good God making His children as cannibals?
Do you want a harder one?
Let's look into the Book of Act wherein Ananias and Sapphira lied and cheated to the congregation and were simultaneously killed by the Spirit of God. What a harsh treatment by the Holy Spirit for a simple sin
So where Am I going with this
Simply lang naman ang patutunguhan nito Leanne ang kasamaan (evil) na ginamit ng Diyos dito ay ang parusa (o punishment) dahil Siya ay hindi konsintedor (dama ba ang tagalog ko?) para hindi tau gayain ng iba pa. Ganito din ang ating mga magulang na kapag tau ay nagkasala o nagkamali ay pinapagalitan tayo at pinaparusahan dibah? Dahil kung hindi tayo makikinig sa mga lessons o aral ng ating mga magulang ay hindi tayo tatanda at tyak na ikakapahamak natin for which this is the punishment (or evil) that awaits us for disobeying of what should be right.
For it is written:
**Jeremiah 2:19 Your wickedness will punish you; your backsliding will rebuke you. Consider then and realize how evil and bitter it is for you when you forsake the Lord your God and have no awe of me," declares the Lord, the Lord Almighty. (NIV)
Pero minsan:
Tayong mga anak ay nagmamalaki pa na hindi naman daw masama ang ating ginawa at inilulusot pa kahit ito ay mali na.
**Jeremiah 9:6 You live in the midst of deception; in their deceit they refuse to acknowledge me,” declares the Lord.(NIV)
So, sino dapat ba talaga ang in charge ang magulang ba o ang anak?
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Post by migy on Aug 26, 2008 23:50:47 GMT 10
Magulang pa rin...
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Post by migy on Aug 26, 2008 23:53:46 GMT 10
It is Crystal Clear... Jesus is the Only Way, Truth and Life...
and Not one can come unto Father but by Him (Our Lord Jesus Christ)
But that doesn't mean we will not seek the will of the Father...
First step as far as am concern is to accept Jesus, next main thing is to Know the Father and do His Will... meditate His Word Day and Night...
How may we do His will?
by doing what is His commands and Will...
And the Will of the Father is to accept Jesus as His Lord and Savior and to know more about the Father is to meditate His Word...
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Post by Always on Nov 20, 2008 12:32:36 GMT 10
SOON: Light Energy or Exotique Matter
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Post by leanne. on Nov 25, 2008 3:18:08 GMT 10
Always tanong lang, ayaw mo bang mag Pastor? or Evanglist? Paano mo malalaman kung ikaw ay may calling na maging Pastor or Evangelist? Sige
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Post by Always on Nov 25, 2008 15:29:24 GMT 10
Thanks Leanne sa compliment kaso malabo yata mangyari yun kasi baka saken masira ang Christianity hahaha LOL! Totoo na napagkakamalan ako minsan na religious dahil sa pagbabasa ko ng Bilbliya at sa mga guidance ng mga taong kakilala tulad nila Linsi, Migy, Anjo, Banshik, Doll atbp. ay naging matatag ako.
And with that knowledge of the Bible and the commitment to it ay lalong naging malakas ang aking tinatawag na "Armour of God" or shield against lies and deceits. At siempre hindi lang sa paniniwala kundi na-enhance din ang reasoning ko through logic. But sometimes a person maybe logical but the basis of such justification is weak kaya natatalo pa din ito ng reasons.
Hay naku baka lumalim pa ini hehehehe. Neway, para maging curious ka lalo about me is that when I dream, karaniwan I still remember my dreams. And in color pa hehehehe.
Cyah!
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Post by migy on Nov 25, 2008 16:37:36 GMT 10
Hi Leanne / Parekoy...
kakatuwa naman reply item ni parekoy, such an inspiration giving back the Glory and Honor to God...
Yeap! I agree with Always, the fact that God inspires us to continue sharing one another...
sometimes nga when tough times comes at nararamdaman mo na impossible ang pag asa, then God will reveal when you start reading His Word... sasabihin niya from Luke 18:27, Luke 1:37 - meron palang pag asa...
then on, sharing the Love of God stirs up inspirations sa mga Brethrens and Friends na who knows na me pangangailangan din spiritually...
Trully God works in such ways na talaga namang minsan mangingiti ka na lang dahil yung problema mo na solve na pala ni Lord ng di natin napapansin...
God Bless Us All...
Parekoy Godspeed!
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Post by leanne. on Nov 26, 2008 14:43:36 GMT 10
Thanks Leanne sa compliment kaso malabo yata mangyari yun kasi baka saken masira ang Christianity hahaha LOL! Totoo na napagkakamalan ako minsan na religious dahil sa pagbabasa ko ng Bilbliya at sa mga guidance ng mga taong kakilala tulad nila Linsi, Migy, Anjo, Banshik, Doll atbp. ay naging matatag ako.
And with that knowledge of the Bible and the commitment to it ay lalong naging malakas ang aking tinatawag na "Armour of God" or shield against lies and deceits. At siempre hindi lang sa paniniwala kundi na-enhance din ang reasoning ko through logic. But sometimes a person maybe logical but the basis of such justification is weak kaya natatalo pa din ito ng reasons.
Hay naku baka lumalim pa ini hehehehe. Neway, para maging curious ka lalo about me is that when I dream, karaniwan I still remember my dreams. And in color pa hehehehe.
Cyah! Thanks but no thanks ba? Always, palagay ko mas maganda kung maging goal mo yan wehehhe, kase daw pag binigay ng Diyos ang isang talento dapat gagamitin at pag hindi daw kakalawangin ikaw din ate linsi, migy anong bible verse na nga yun?
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Post by migy on Nov 26, 2008 17:06:52 GMT 10
Hi Leanne,
relatively malayo ito sa tanong mo but let me share with you the promise of God...
Deuteronomy 4:6 Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, "Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people."
A listener and an observer has a gift of leadership and I agree that Always has a qualities of a potential leader...
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Post by leanne. on Dec 8, 2008 23:12:36 GMT 10
Migy, ano na nga ang pinag uusapan natin?
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Post by Always on Feb 2, 2009 20:46:19 GMT 10
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil." ~ Max Lerner [/right] By reading this from the beginning, one can easily take note about differentiation of evils and as to why angels are created immortals. Thus, it is safe to say that evil is also immortal because of such creation. And from page one, you will be able to see that with progressive creation, God is not done creating yet and basing from that page, there is also two creation stories wherein Satan was thrown down to the old earth. How can God be able to defeat Evil? BY CONTROLLING IT! The story of Joseph and the life of Jesus and other mentioned show us that God sometimes uses people's sufferings at the hands of evil things in order to accomplish His purposes. [/b]Rom 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to {His} purpose. NASB
What we've read and experienced in life is that sometimes as I have mentioned beforehand that our Creator uses his children to suffer pain because it is on His part of his plan from the beginning in defeating evil by controlling it and to achieve His purpose for the salvation of His children in Christ. Evil entities do evil things but they are never beyond the omniscience and foreknowledge of The One who created them.
God created the Angels first before humanity and when 1/3 of them rebelled, they were casted out from heaven into the surrounding area of the Old Earth except for Lucifer who were place in the garden. This is the reason why the Garden of Eden had surrounding fences and gates guarded by Cherubims. Adam & Eve were protected from outside interference. God knew in the first place that Satan would test the first human coupple and fail or else the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics could have not taken place and God's progressive Creation of our physical Universe will just be put on halt.
Are you not getting it?
If Adam & Eve would not have sinned and simply stayed in the garden, they would have lived immortal lives without decay and physical death and this is against the 2nd Law because all things in the universe tends to disorder - or as it is called by scientist as entrophy.
Psa 102:26 "Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed. NASB
There is just no getting around the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics; furthermore, the very existence of said law is in and of itself a powerful testament the very existence of God. While man may author such law the particular wordings we read in textbooks, the metaphysical reality of this Law is Universal and no way anyone can deny it. That is why we are compelled to ask this rhetorical question - How can there be a 2nd Law of Thermodynamics without a Lawgiver? In its simplest sense, who intelligently designed the Law?
Going back to Satan and his purpose,
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Post by violet on Feb 7, 2009 15:35:53 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Apr 6, 2009 21:12:44 GMT 10
wait, wait wait........ ibig mo bang sabihin Always kailangang magkasala sila adam and eve para lang ma fulfill yung second law? or would it rather be said that the second law came in effect because God knew that man would choose evil?
maya mo habulin na naman tayo ng mga skepteeeks nyan
and wouldn't be adam's choice the deciding factor for a perfect universe free from decay since God aims things to be that way?
I believe I already made the notion that God would still be in charge in the end. The prophecy of entrophy has been made very clear in the Book of Revelation. And one of God's nature is his state of being omniscient. One of my illustration in this same topic is that God not bound by time can peek through time. Skeptics know that they have a big problem with regard to the existence of the universe using the theory of chance because modern science is slowly co-existing that the universe is eventually expanding via an intelligent order - the determism of God itself.
The failures of Lucifer & his minions and Adam & Eve were known to God. Their self-determinism[/i] made it to happen as part of God's plan. Self-determinism and FreeWill are two different things but they produce the same thing of effect just like flowers to that of stromatalytes which both produce oxygen through photosynthesis. I once posted here the phrase that "from CHAOS, HARMONY is bound to exist", which Rafael took notice of and began to wonder how is that so. And a very good example of this is the Big Bang itself. Another is the creation of Hell which coincide with the creation of Earth being a place of Hellish Fire in the beginning of its geological evolution. Thanks to James Hutton, the Father of Modern Geology, who by the way contradicted the teachings of the church regarding Earth's age based from Biblical geneaology which was roughly 5,758 years. Additionally though, there are six days leading up to the creation of Adam; these six days are significant as well and I would elaborate this in a way if it is deem necessary to the matter. Make it known that Hell was created firsthand to be in accord with the hellish origin of our planet, which by the way was proven to be true by today's scientists basing it from the footsteps of Hutton. Yes, because the study of rocks 200 years ago would lead to the awesome revelation that Earth has been to the most astounding journey--a journey that began in a World of Fire because back then Earth's surface was an ocean of molten rock miles deep; and temperature exceeded 8,000 degrees Farenheit similar to the surface of the sun. Woooh that's hellish hot. The accepted age of the Earth by modern scientist is 4.5B years which is a far-cry to the geneaological age of the Bible. But then the comparison must not end with the creation of Adam & Eve; rather, it must be compared to the prior creation before them. How is that possible, well it's gonna be the future topic of P& . to continue ... Just be aware that this scenario is gonna lead you to things and information that you have never encountered before - Beyond God's True Plan throuhg His own science revealed to today's scientists. [/color] [/b]
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