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Post by delaine on Jul 14, 2008 22:34:52 GMT 10
I know this is a bad*p question but it seems that some people are born to choose evil while others choose to do good? It's like people who knows that things would lead to HIV infection and yet they do it. It's like doing what 's illegal even if they know it will hurt them. It seems God is so far away.
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Post by delaine on Jul 14, 2008 22:37:47 GMT 10
And what about generation sin?
Adam and Eve did it, why should the consequences be charged on us? Isn't believing in Christ not enough? Is God still in charge?
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Post by Always on Jul 15, 2008 0:59:27 GMT 10
As a Filipino would normally say: Kung ano daw ang masama ay iyon daw ang masarap
Neway, I'll let Parekoy Migy to answer both your querries on this
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Post by delta on Jul 15, 2008 1:14:33 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Jul 15, 2008 7:46:01 GMT 10
I stand corrected Delta Mas maganda nga basahin siya and with a better rhyme
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Post by Always on Jul 15, 2008 9:51:15 GMT 10
Delaine wrote in reply to Lindsay's statements: "This is very hard to accept. Sometimes our belief and trust in God crumbles. Instead of getting strong we become desperate ." Lindsay stated: "Physical afflictions can enhance our desire for heaven and focus our attention and affections on the unseen, eternal things that are most important (2 Corinthians 4:16–5:10).
Sickness and suffering can be used of God for purposes not known to us at the time, and perhaps not even in our lifetime. Job’s afflictions, for example, were a part of a much bigger picture, of which Job was not aware" Delaine, gus2 ko lang dagdagan ang sinabi ni Ninja Girl at mahaba-haba ito kasi eh at mas maganda na din na inilipat ko ito dito.
Have you ever wondered about a consideration for a greater goods? Is Job's afflictions really a part of a bigger picture? People when they suffer tend to ask a lot of questions and if they can not accept an answer they tend to blame not themselves but someone else. And most of the time supernaturalism is the intended culprit without logic and reason being used as a way of explanation, thus science is the necessary tool to prove that there is always a bigger picture. Is it?
As you may have known me by now through my postings, I use history most of the time as my foundation to prove a point. Now, let's go back in time and ... say ... to the 14th century ... here we go ... did you bring your 14th century clothings? Neway, don't forget to bring some medicines just in case - yahoo! Maalala mo pa ba o nabasa ang tungkol sa "black death"? Also called Black Plague was one of the deadliest (if not the deadliest) pandemics in human history to hve been caused primarily by Bubonic plague, Pneumonic plague, Septicemic plague, and other pre-existing conditions such as war, famine, and evironmental conditions which contributed to the severity of the plague.
Napansin mo ba na ang war at famine ay effecto ng kagagawan ng tao at ang environment sa simula ay maaring natural at hindi ang tao ang may gawa. Kapag inisip mo sa umpisa ay maari preo kung iyong susumain ay may sala din ang tao sa dahilan na noong medieval period ang sanitation nila sa kapaligiran ay very primitive at masyadong napakadumi. Delaine, nai-imagine mobah na kung gaano napakadumi ang ibang parte ng Maynila ay mas madumi ng kalayuhan ang dumi at masangsang na amoy ng 14th century environment Ganyan kadelikado mabuhay sa Europe noon ;D
Nakukuha mnb kung saan ako papunta nito?
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Post by Always on Jul 17, 2008 14:44:59 GMT 10
Ang isang tawag sa Black plague o Black Death ay "The Pestilence" or "The Great Mortality" dahil noon ang iniisip ng mga tao ay ito daw ang parusa at paghuhukom ng Diyos. Ganito ba talaga ang tao na kapag hinidi nila maisplika ang isang pangyayari o bagay ... ang Diyos kaagad ang may kagagawan?
Nakasaad sa Bibliya ang ang dahilan ng lahat sa buhay ng tao at ito ay mababasa natin sa:
Galatian 6:7-10>>> 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 6:8 For he that soweth unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap eternal life. 6:9 And let us not be weary in well-doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 6:10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us work that which is good toward all men, and especially toward them that are of the household of the faith.
But then, why would God allow such evil? We must accept that God loved them and in my own opinion He was chastening them for their wrongdoings. As you can see, everytime a person ignores God's counsel and embraces sin, he will experience chastening. Yes, the word for today is chastening for it is painful and often causes people to question God's love for them; The fact that God chastens is evidence of His love for them! The Bible states, "Whom the Lord loves, He chastens." (Heb. 12:6)
Hmnnn, tugma ba ang mga verses na sinulat ko sa kaso ng 14th century tragedy? Oo sa dahilan ang tao ang gumawa at ang kaparusahan sa kasalanan (in this case, mistakes and negligence) niya sa sarili at kapwa tao ay mismong nakasaad sa Bibliya bilang babala sa mundo.
Have you heard of an old saying that goes like this: "Sow a thought, reap an act. Sow an act, reap a habit. Sow a habit, reap a character. Sow a character, reap a destiny."
Kaya whatever you are sowing today, get ready to reap it tomorrow
Kaya ating alamin naman kung saan nagmula ang plague na ito sa Europa at kung ito ba ay gawa ng tao o isang natural evil At ayon sa sientia, ang pinagmulan ng epidemya ay sa lupain ng mga Tsino(China) dahil noong mga panahon na yun ay ang China ang pinakamalaking trading hub sa Asya. Mula doon ay naglakbay ang epidemya sa Europa sa pamamagitan ng barko at ang ahente nito ay mga daga at ang mga parasayt nitong mga kuto. So daga pala at hindi tao ang may culprit! At iyan ang ating sisiyatin sa panghuli at pinakamahabang yugto.
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Post by leanne. on Jul 17, 2008 15:37:08 GMT 10
Ang sarap magbasa, balik ulet ako
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Post by Always on Jul 19, 2008 11:03:40 GMT 10
O cge magpo-post ako after 1 hour; magluluto lang me ng lunch ko
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Post by Always on Jul 19, 2008 12:52:45 GMT 10
Ayon sa history at sa pagsisiyasat ni William Mcneil nagmula daw ang plague sa probinsya ng Hubei sa Tsina noon taong 1334. Pero sa pinakabagong research ng Boise State University sa pamumuno ni Dr. E. L. Skip Knox ay nagmula ito sa desyerto ng Gobi na nasa Tsina din.
Kung nagmula sa Desyerto ang plague, ang ibig sabihin ba nito na hindi tao ang may kasalanan? ;D Siguro dito na natin masasabi na baka nga ito ay galing sa Diyos na katulad noong panahon ni Moses ang pangatlong plague sa Ehipto na mga kuto o mga li'za (lice or gnat). Dibah kuto din (na galing naman sa mga daga) ang pinagmulan ng Black Death?
Balikan natin ulet ang Desyerto ng Gobi at kapag atin sisiyatin muli ay malalaman natin na ayon sa syensya ang laki ng desyertong ito ay hindi ganito kalaki noon at ang patunay nito ay (una) sa mga natagpuang mga buto ng dinosaurs at ang kauna-unahang mga itlog ng mga nito ay dito din nakita; (pangalawa) dahil sa tinatawag na 'desertification' o pagsakop ng desyerto sa katabing mga lupain at mga bukirin na ikinabubuhay ng mga tao. So, hindi nga talaga tao ang may gawa kundi mga natural na mga pangyayari? Teka muna, alamin muna natin ang talagang dahilan ng desertification at ang tatlo sa pinaka dahilan nito ay 1)deforestation o sobrang pagputol ng mga puno, 2)overgrazing o sobrang paglarga o pagputol ng mga tao ng pakain sa kani-kaniyang hayop pambukid , at 3)overconsumption of water resources. There, dahil sa pagpapabaya ng mga Intsik ay nawala ang kanilang mga kabukiran at kabuhayan sa agrikultura kaya nilamon ang mga ito ng desyerto. So, tao nga ang may kasalanan.
Paano na ang mga dagang itim?
Delaine, 'wag mong kalimutan magdala pala ng mga latex gloves ha kasi manghuhuli tayo ng mga daga para ating mapag-aralan. Ok? O baka naman takot ka sa daga? Ako din haha 8-)Neway, ilalarawan natin ang daga kung paano ito naging ahente ng epidemya at kung ano ang naging korelasyon nito sa tao kaya sisimulan na natin ito. Ayon dumaan sa harapan mo! Hehe buti na lang naglagay ako ng mouse trap kanina habang nagkwekwento ako tungkol sa desyerto. O cge itatataas ko sa mesa ang trap para atin ng aralin ang dagang ito. Napansin mo ba Delaine na napakaitim ng dagang ito, ito ang tinatawag na Black Rat at may siyentipikong pangalan na Rattus Rattus. Karaniwan naninirahan ang mga Black Rats sa warmer atmosphere sa mga mga lugar kung nasaan din ang mga tao.
So?
Kaya ng malamon ng Gobi Desert ang mga karatig nitong mga lupain ng ibang bayan sa China ay nawalan din ang kabahayan ang mga itim na daga. At dahil sanay sila sa warm climate at ang Gobi Desert ang nagdulot ng lamig na karaniwan ng bumababa ang lamig nito 40°C at kahit sa tag-init ay malamig pa din sa temperatura na +50°C ay lumisan ang unang naging reaksiyon ng mga dagang ito.
Paano nagkaroon ng sakit ang mga daga?
Ang sakit na ito ay ang bakteryang tinatawag na Yersinia Pestis na karaniwan nasa mga kuto at li'sa ng mga daga. Karaniwan ito ay hindi delikado or dormant laang pero dahil na din sa pagpalit ng klima ay nakasagap ang bakteryang ito ng pagbabago na kumbaga sa tao ang bakteryang ito any nagkasakit din, hmmmn. At dahil sa pagbabagong ito ay naging palagutom ang mga bakteryang ito.
Sundan natin ngaun sila (ang mga daga)...
Nakasaad sa mga nauna kong mga posts na ang China ang pinakamalaking trading hub sa Asya noon at dahil dito ang mga daga ay nailipat hindi lang sa paglalakbay sa lupa to lupa kundi nakaangkas din sila sa mga barko na patungong Europa. Kaya ayon ang nangyari. At ang isa pang nakakamangha ay karamihan sa mga barko bago pa lang dumaong sa Europa ay patay na lahat ang mga tao at sakay nito at dito nagsimula ang pangalang "ghost ships." At dahil sa kasakiman din ng mga tao sa mga pier at nagbalak nakawan ang mga barkong ito. Kaya ang nangyari ang mga kuto ng mga daga dahil ubos na ang kanilang source of food sa barko ay nagsilipat sa mga taon umakyat at nagnakaw sa mga barko. Nakuha din nila ang sakit at naikalat sa lupain ng Europa. Kaya ang resulta - BLACK DEATH!
At yan po ang pagtatapos ng kwentong kutserong ito.
NEXT ISSUE: How to prove God is still in charge basing from above three posts
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Post by Always on Jul 19, 2008 12:55:48 GMT 10
COMMERCIAL: Sori po if na-delay ako sa pangatlo't panghuling post sa kwento kasi dinalaw po ako ng ex-kong mahal habang ako ay nagluluto Til' next time
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Post by leanne. on Jul 19, 2008 14:10:07 GMT 10
Ex-mahal? Pwede kayang maging mahal ulet? ahihihihi
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Post by linsi on Jul 24, 2008 22:42:44 GMT 10
honga, may dalaw pa pala e di idugtong ang nakaraan- hala sabi nga ni migy nang magka apo naman tayo---
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Post by Always on Jul 25, 2008 10:43:59 GMT 10
Gud a.m. sa inyong lahat
Itutuloy ko na ng konti if God is still in charge
Oo naman - Diyos pa din ang may kontrol hanggang sa uli ng walang katapusan! At dahil iyan ang nakasulat sa:
1 Peter 1:24 For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the LORD stands FOREVER."
1 Peter 1:25 And this the word that was preached to you. (NIV)
Baket ba may kasamaan sa mundo?
First, we must have to know the two distinct categories of evil: Moral Evil & Natural Evil. Moral evil is a form of evil that results from an act (or failure to act,) of man. Without the action, or an ommision of an action, by a human agent moral evil would not occur. One of the many examples of this basing from my three posts about the Black plague is famine or mass starvation caused specifically by the Chinese people wherein the desert engulfed their land due to negligence.
Second, in contrast to moral evil is natural evil. This form of evil arises (from an old philosophical teaching) through no fault of man. Man has no control over natural evil, and is completely powerless to prevent its occurence. Thus, an excruciatingly painful death resulting from an incurable terminal disease is a natural evil, as is the suffering caused by catastrophic natural phenomena such as tornodoes, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes.
You may have noticed my emphasis that the definition on the second category was from an old teaching. I believe that natural disaster can also be caused by human frailty. In 1642 feudal China, rebels destroyed the northern seawall in Kaifeng killing more than 300,000 chinese by flood. The same thing happened in August 5, 1975 along the Yangtze River in China wherein sixty-three dams (yes 63) failed due to 'creative' engineering killing an estimated 80,000 - 200,000 people from floods and subsequent famine. The same things also happened in the Philippines, United States and other parts of the world. If you can not imagine this, try renting the dvd entitled "Evan Almighty" a movie where God (played by Samuel Jackson) instructed a U.S. Congressman to build an ark.
How about Baguio or the Mountain Province? Natural disasters such as landslide and flood can also be caused by human ingenuity called deforestation. What about Global Warming? A natural disaster of ozone depletion caused mainly by agressive industrialization throughout human history can cause not only skin cancer but other havoc of great confusion and disorder.
The next sequence to this form of evil is the incurable terminal sickness as natural. The case of Terri Schiavo says otherwise and as I have posted in the other topic her vegetative scenario was primarily effected by her own negligence
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Post by linsi on Jul 25, 2008 14:06:33 GMT 10
Maya na me mag babasa may ihahati pang cliente
Also kelan itutuloy yung mag ka ka apo na kami nila migy
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Post by Always on Jul 25, 2008 20:16:32 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Jul 25, 2008 20:57:48 GMT 10
Have you heard of the legal term in Latin Injuria Absque Damno (pronounced in Pilipino as in-dyur-ya abs-kwa dam-no)? Terri Schiavo knew first hand that by neglecting the true nature of a nutrition program it could cause an irreparable damage to her body; but, because she thought a wrong that causes no legally recognized damage cannot give rise to a cause of action, so she continued in doing so. And then she wrongly abused her contraceptive program in the long run thus Injuria Non Excusat Injuriam comes to play as an old adage - one wrong does not justify another. First the misuse of nutrition dieting then followed by improperly applied contraception method
This is the essence of your own post: [/b] "It's like doing what 's illegal even if they know it will hurt them." You mentioned about HIV so what if a person with aids were to deliberately spread the virus by having sex to every unknowing victim, will you call that person a murderer or a serial killer?
Dear P7ers, as in the case above at an indeterminate point of time, it is important to distinguish the presence of evil sometimes as a mere absence of good. Just like the person with AIDS, his desire to inflict arm (malice) to others is more than just the absence of christian disposition for the simple reason that he is under the inluence of mens rea.
MENS REA Lat.: a guilty state of mind or the mental state of a person accompanying a forbidden act.
Do you know? If I have the time, I really like watching TFC's teleserye and its balita (TV Patrol) at naaalala ba ninyo na sa isang drama series ay meron itong kontrabida na nahuli ay haltang nagsisinungaling at sinasabi na wala daw siya sa sarili ng magawa niya ang krimen--so the guy pleads insanity. Naniwala ka ba na ang isang tao ay nawawala sa kanyang katawan?
Believe it or not, it's true! Hindi lang nga nagiging dalawa ang katawan niya pero ito ang tinatawag na Psychological Detachment sa mediko legal. Nakakamit lang ang karanasan na ito kapag ang isang tao ang lulon sa droga lalo nat kapag ang ginamit ang ang tinatawag na LSD dahil may tendency na akala nila ay nanonood siya sa isang tabi laang at tinitingnan niya ang isang taong pinapatay. Ayon pala ang taong pumapatay ay siya na para bang na katawan niya ay humiwalay (o nagde-detach) sa kanayang sarili. Iyan po ang epekto ng drogang ito na akala mo iba ang gumagawa pero ikaw na pala at wala kang magawa sa mga pangyayari.
Insanity ba kamoh? Hindi ito tatanggapin ng husgado kahit siya pa ay nakadroga. At nakasaad din sa panagalawa kong post na "What you sow is what you reap" dibah?
Kaya
1Peter 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self‑controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. (NIV)
Kasi
1Peter 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. (NIV)
People do these (moral evils) things because of their misusage of freeWill for it is also necessary in the formulation of a higher moral characters. As an invariable nature of thing, the existence of evil is compatible with the existence of God since YaHWeH in this day and time must remain as a passive observer of the world's moral evils if He is to allow mankind to freely choose between good and evil.
BUT IF GOD IS GOOD how can you reconcile such existence with natural evil? ;D
I have shown from my previous post before this that some natural evils were effected by moral evils.
BUT WHY NOT ALL? ;D
Before I answer this, let me establish (for future argument) first that there is already an ongoing study that weapons of mass destruction and their malice have been the reason of random natural disasters. Take the first & 2nd invasion of Iraq as examples, these actions impended imminent natural disasters in random tulad ng earthquake, tsunamis at mga pagbaha. Hindi totoo? Well, subukan mong biglaang pukpukin ng martilyo ang kaliwang parte ng ulo ng ex-bf mo. Toink toink Tyak masasaktan siya ng husto sa left part of his head dibah? Pero siempre maapektuhan din hindi lang kaliwa kundi pati na ang right part of his head at maari din ang buong ulo niya ay mayayanig.
Kaya ganyan din ang mundo dahil may hangganan ang kakayanan nito as in the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics dahil humihina din ang pundasyon ng mundo. Isipin mo na lang ang dami at lakas ng mga bomba at paputok ang yumayanig sa mundo Certainly, this will be detailed in my future post for the New HEAVEN, New EARTH topic; and it includes the one paragraph below
Going back as to why not all is because God is not done yet with his progressive creation. And IMOO, this is also the very reason why God allows evil into this world for it is written. Yes, Jesus Christ has foretold us about these kinds of importance on why people suffer and experience all the trials in their lives.
1Peter 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. (NIV)
AND THE REASON BEHIND SUCH INEQUITIES:
1Peter 1:7 These have come so that your faith–of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire–may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. (NV)
Ayan ha, naipalawanag mula sa Bibliya kung baket meron mga paghihirap tayong nadadanasan. Kasi tayo na din ang gagawa ng paraan kung mapapalapit ba tayo sa Diyos o kusang lalayo sa kanya. Do you want to be a sinner or be a holy one? Kunbaga sa immigration ay naghihintay tayo ng approved qualification para magkaroon ng Visa to enter the NEW JERUSALEM As I said, God is not done yet with His creation for the simple reason that since mankind sinned, the only way we could be with God is to be holy for He is Holy (Refer to 1Peter 1:16); and true that we can not be perfect like Jesus Christ ...
1Peter 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. (NIV)
and because of this
1Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.(NIV)
WE MUST REMEMBER THAT NOT ALL MANKIND WILL BE SAVED! ;D
God made do in his first plot of his creation with only two humans as a start and He would replenish the last plot of his creation through the process of salvation in His New Heaven and New Earth with only a few thousands or less.
NEXT ISSUE:
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Post by leanne. on Jul 25, 2008 21:59:38 GMT 10
Hay, nawala yung sagot tungkol sa apo, bti na lang at pagod ako pero nx time mangungulets meh basa na lang maya pag ok na. pagod kc.
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Post by Always on Jul 26, 2008 10:21:38 GMT 10
Na postponed muna apo apo kasi it would be unfair sa ex-kong mahal eh. Kaya cool-off muna kami na pwede siyang makipag date sa iba while I promised her na habang ako ay nagwo-work at nag-aaral ay hindi ako makikipagdeyt sa iba. Pramis teka mukhang lugi yata ako dun ha?
Continue ko na lang mamaya ...
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Post by leanne. on Jul 28, 2008 13:08:07 GMT 10
1Peter 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. (NIV)
Ito ang isa sa pinaka gusto kong verse , grief in all kinds kasi LAHAT as in lahat ay dadaan sa hirap at walang immunity, walang favoritism kaya lang haaay Ang hirap ay damay damay talaga
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Post by Always on Aug 9, 2008 13:02:30 GMT 10
Before I proceed further into the theme of defeating the immortal evil, we need to establish a governing principle that the Devil is a personage of immortality. The devil was a former cherubin named Lucifer installed by God to be the steward of the universe and we should also note that the Devil was 'covered' in a detail of 10 stones. A covering that signify that Lucifer (Satan) was a priestly ruler of old earth of the ancient times just (the gap between Gen. 1:1 & Gen. 1:2) before the creation of Adam and Eve - PreAdamite World.
A Hard-Core Atheist once asked me of my maxim about God; and to his surprise, I told him that the God I know is, was, and always will be the One who (that) knows both good and evil.
Are you surprised too?
In the olden days for His purpose of progressive creation (in this case a re-creating process) God uses evil for the purpose of goodness.
Why is this so? ;D
God created the universe with the use of (an oxymoron) a "good evil," an evil that was used in a good way. You may be astonished to know that there is a scientific proof a decade ago when scientists discovered an energy in space called the DARK MATTER a dark energy which previously baffled these discovers. Currently, it was basically known that these dark energies account to more than 80% of all matter in the universe and a new study shows that these 'dark matter' are the ones holding up all the galaxies and serve as flotation devices in space.
* www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMZ6GSVYVE_index_1.html
And on July 28, 2008, NASA launced GLAST or Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope into space to track and research gamma rays from dark matter.
Do you still remember that before God uttered "Let there be light" there was already darkness (absence of light) or enegies from the fallen one and his minions (energy having the absence of good) into His creation.
The rebels were cast down into the OLD EARTH:
Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!(NIV)
and they tried to ascend unto the highest heaven - The Kingdom of God but were brought down into the depths of space and bear it:
Isaiah 14:15 But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.(NIV)
As modern men (scientists, astrophysicists, astronomers ) find you and baffle with questions:
Isaiah 14:16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: “Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, (NIV)
;D
Did you know that the energy of such light was also discovered recently by scientists to be a form of another energy from the Big Bang (as in let there be light!). Well, this matter will be tackled in my future topic called "THE GOD of GAPS." And within this topic, you will be able to know that AS SCIENCE GROWS IN KNOWLEDGE THE CLOSER IT GETS IN KNOWING GOD! And what will you learn here precept-upon-precept will help you understand other difficult passages into our lives and to be well-equipped against doubts.
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Post by peng on Aug 9, 2008 15:55:25 GMT 10
Always ang galing naman ng mga post mo, pero siguro di mo pa nararanasan ang maghirap ng totoo o di kaya ma broken life kaya punung puno ng sigla post mo, ang gaganda .
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Post by Always on Aug 10, 2008 22:36:24 GMT 10
Lahat ng tao ay nagdaan sa mga trials at sufferrings sa buhay. Nadaanan ko na din yan Peng nun iwan ako ng angel ko sa ibang lalake Kaso we all have to move on for our mental health's sake
Btw, thanks sa compliment and I'll try my best to post for your reading pleasure; pero pramis me one thing to tell a fren about our site
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Post by migy on Aug 11, 2008 19:35:08 GMT 10
that was a nice share parekoy!
God will bless you, for the better lahat ng nangyayari sating lahat...
sometimes talaga di natin makita yung plan natin, pero pag Plan ng Lord ang sinunod natin, laging the best for us talaga....
Regards sa lahat!
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Post by violet on Aug 12, 2008 17:22:57 GMT 10
Always' post about God who knows both good and evil is very profound-
sana may magtanong for further studies , this is what i was telling to my mf nun pa, that he presents things in a higher position
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Post by Always on Aug 13, 2008 19:33:41 GMT 10
Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete freewill in order to express that love. Of course , freewill also allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, Lucifer and his minions did not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them.
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Post by migy on Aug 13, 2008 21:47:30 GMT 10
nauna kase pride ke lucifer eh and dumating sa puntos na gusto na niyang pantayan ang Diyos...
even in our era maraming leaders and bumagsak because of pride and glory... at marami din namang di nga bumagsak pero nature na rin ang sumingil sa kanila...
Still God talaga is incharge...
sige po continue lang....
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Post by Always on Aug 14, 2008 1:37:48 GMT 10
Did you know that the creator of the universe is obviously a "God of Order?" Because the laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that scientists can now calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousand to millions of years into the future. Would a God with these kind of precision design a moral laws the are random or changing? The Holy Bible states in:
Psalm 35:24 Judge me, O LORD my God, according to Thy Righteousness; and do not let them rejoice over me.
Psalm 71:19 For Thy righteousness, O God, reaches to the heavens, Thous hast done great things; O God , who is like thee?
... that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God. Thus, unchanging moral laws are consistent with God's creation.
What is the relation of God's Moral Laws with Lucifer's rebellion?
I will be imploring another nature of God as being omniscient or having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight. Imagine the line below as a timeline of 30 years:A ------------------------------ B
1980 ------------------------------ 2010
Did you notice the year 2010? It is two years into the future and imagine this is your own timeline. Each line represents a year and since the Bible states that God exists outside the dimensions of this universe (1Kings 8:27) creating both the spatial and temporal dimensions, the linear model described above shows that God can see and interact with everything that happens. Hence, God can easily peer through into the year 2009 (2nd to the last line) and He can have a complete knowledge of what will happen to you that year. It shows that God exists in at least two dimensions of time. [this will be featured and detailed further in the New HEAVEN, New EARTH topic denoting our universe's active 4 dimensions, 6 inactive (stable) dimensions, plus God's sole dimension of other time]
Where is this leading to?
It means that all the failings of Lucifer into becoming Satan of this world and dark energy of the universe had been conceived to happen as part of God's majestic plan. God used evil into the universe in order for it to be created and this is the very reason why angels are created immortals in order to have lasting energies in them.
HUH! Ain't this far-fetched? ;D
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Post by linsi on Aug 14, 2008 15:29:26 GMT 10
Did you know that the creator of the universe is obviously a "God of Order?" Because the laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that scientists can now calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousand to millions of years into the future. Would a God with these kind of precision design a moral laws the are random or changing? The Holy Bible states in:
Psalm 35:24 Judge me, O LORD my God, according to Thy Righteousness; and do not let them rejoice over me.
Psalm 71:19 For Thy righteousness, O God, reaches to the heavens, Thous hast done great things; O God , who is like thee?
... that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God. Thus, unchanging moral laws are consistent with God's creation.
What is the relation of God's Moral Laws with Lucifer's rebellion?
i think i have to learn from my mf, di ba ang moral law ay nag exist during the time of moses at mount sinai? so before the 10 commandments how can we categorize, violations first of Adam, then Cain, Noah and Lot etc? Nasan po ang batas at anong batas ito para masabing mali ang ginawa nila?
Yun bang rebellion ni Lucifer morally wrong? May moral law na ba nun? Kung meron bakit sa mt sinai lang nilagay ang effect? Kung merong moral law nun pa for angels- e di tama si kuya banshik ahehe (nabanggit) na yung violation nila ni eve ay moral obligation?
I will be imploring another nature of God as being omniscient or having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight. Imagine the line below as a timeline of 30 years:A ------------------------------ B
1980 ------------------------------ 2010
Did you notice the year 2010? It is two years into the future and imagine this is your own timeline. Each line represents a year and since the Bible states that God exists outside the dimensions of this universe (1Kings 8:27) creating both the spatial and temporal dimensions, the linear model described above shows that God can see and interact with everything that happens. Hence, God can easily peer through into the year 2009 (2nd to the last line) and He can have a complete knowledge of what will happen to you that year. It shows that God exists in at least two dimensions of time. [this will be featured and detailed further in the New HEAVEN, New EARTH topic denoting our universe's active 4 dimensions, 6 inactive (stable) dimensions, plus God's sole dimension of other time]
Where is this leading to?
It means that all the failings of Lucifer into becoming Satan of this world and dark energy of the universe had been conceived to happen as part of God's majestic plan. God used evil into the universe in order for it to be created and this is the very reason why angels are created immortals in order to have lasting energies in them.
HUH! Ain't this far-fetched? ;D
hmmm, palagay ko iba ang presentations pag dating dito dahil if people will take this literally it will fall on predestination , i may say that God knows what will happen because of freewill exercised by Lucier-
If angels are created immortals, man will also be in due time- If angels are immortals then Satan could not be destroyed.
ang tanong: sa inyong palagay, bakit ang angels ay created immortals, kc Satan as a fallen angel could never be destroyed because he is immortal. ;D
minsan kc kahit sa bible may mga pesentations na kakaiba at kailangan ang exposition para ito ma decipher.
kukuha muna me ng tylenol
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Post by migy on Aug 14, 2008 16:34:12 GMT 10
honga, kahit ako sumasakit ang ulo, need talaga study para makasabay sa inyo...
always,
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