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Post by Always on Jun 13, 2008 17:58:52 GMT 10
and yet, the atheist religion claimed and distorted his studies into its own doctrine as valid.
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Post by rowtide on Jun 14, 2008 12:58:20 GMT 10
Try lang Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection undermined the conventional religious concept of an all-powerful God. It could explain in a natural way the existence of complex organisms without the need for an intelligent designer, ;D
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Post by Always on Jun 16, 2008 12:59:19 GMT 10
Actually that's a very good try Rowtide at minsan nga iyan pa ang karaniwang ginagamit ng karamihan na mga hard-core na mga atheists. Ang pinakaproblema lang mga humanists ay ng mga gap tungkol sa evolution kasi karaniwan na ang evolution simply relies on "Speculative Explanation." I believe I already mentioned that here in a different topic.
The basic argument against evolution is what kind of science being used. As you may know, science is based on causality; every event has a cause at hindi tulad nang luma na paniniwala ng mga atheists na ang universe nagmula sa wala o dati ng nandun noon pa. Kaya mali din sa mga naturalists to explain all singularities tulad ng evolution by natural causes lang kasi nga in scientific principles within a scientific method ito ay secondary cause without correlating with the primary cause.
Alam mo ba na karamihan sa mga Creationists founded modern science tulad nila Boyle, Newton, Mendel, Babbage, Pasteur atbp. at tulad ng paniniwala nila sa siyensya ay imbes na Operation Science ang gamitin sa pagtukoy sa ebolusyon ay dapat ang tinatawag na Origin Science kung tugma nga ito.
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Post by migy on Jun 16, 2008 16:15:00 GMT 10
Hi Always, Linds and Rafael...
Commercial lang, wrong posts po ito sa kabila eh...
dedicated specially to Mr. Rafael...
An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his Class on the Problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY.
He asks one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .
Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't.
How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
( Student is silent )
Professor : You can't answer, can you ?
Let's start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right.
Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ?
And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?
(Student does not answer)
Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?
( Student has no answer )
Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist.
What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat? Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold? Professor : Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
( The Lecture Theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events )
Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat,
White Heat, a Little Heat or No Heat...
But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat,
but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold.
Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
( There is Pin - Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )
Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something¡K
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called
Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death,
a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite,
something we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved
from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process,
yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
( The Professor shakes his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument is going )
Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On - Going Endeavor,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
( The Class is in Uproar )
Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?
( The Class breaks out into Laughter )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable,
Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?
(The Room is Silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . .
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.
It turned out later that the student is Albert Einstein.
God Bless Us All...
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Post by rafael on Jul 1, 2008 15:02:10 GMT 10
Darwin never denied the existence of God...
As Agnostics do. An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.
An agnostic regards the Bible exactly as enlightened clerics regard it. He does not think that it is divinely inspired; he thinks its early history legendary, and no more exactly true than that in Homer; he thinks its moral teaching sometimes good, but sometimes very bad. For example: Samuel ordered Saul, in a war, to kill not only every man, woman, and child of the enemy, but also all the sheep and cattle. Saul, however, let the sheep and the cattle live, and for this we are told to condemn him. I have never been able to admire Elisha for cursing the children who laughed at him, or to believe (what the Bible asserts) that a benevolent Deity would send two she-bears to kill the children.
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Post by Always on Jul 4, 2008 22:52:55 GMT 10
What you have posted above is nothingless but an old script from an old paraphernalias. And you gave it away by stating; "at least impossible at the present time."; and as you may know by now that this is what agnostics and wannabees have been afraid of. Do you know why? Science has been catching up on the validity of God's own science, which has been there ever since the world unfold Science in areas like Sociology, Economics, Genetics, Psychology (which btw you failed drastically), Biology, and much more ;D
Another thing is you mentioned about Homer (whew; another old school appurtenance!) neway, did you not know that most of Homer's reasoning of power to imagine are of Near East's consequences.
Btw, since you're now using the term "Deity" to a Christian God; please kindly state the verse on where you found such statement about the killings in order for everyone that no other verse are being deleted again or in your case de-selected
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Post by rafael on Jul 10, 2008 19:51:00 GMT 10
The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days, and every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out. That is Genesis 6
Until now you haven' got an answer to the implication on why even the children has to drown.
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Post by Always on Jul 12, 2008 1:26:18 GMT 10
"Until now you haven' got an answer to the implication on why even the children has to drown."Because you're not reading them in light that is why Kapag ikaw at iyong pamilya ay tumira sa slum area within the smoky mountain garbage dump. Alam mong walang fresh air doon and because of stiffling heat and stench from the rot create a toxic combination na siguradong nakakasama sa kalusugan ng iyong pamilya lalong lalo na sa mga bata pero baket nandun kapa. At kung may bagyo naman ay tiyak na lulubog ito sa pagbaha hindi lamang ng tubig sa ulan kundi pati nang mga basurahan. Nakalimutan mnb ang nangyaring disaster doon na ikinamatay ng marami. Marami sa mga tao ang sumama ang loob sa Diyos kung baket nangyari sa kanila iyon pero kung susuriin mong mabuti ay hindi Dios ang may gawa niyon kundi tao at ang kanyang desisyon.
Ganyan din noon panahon ni Noah kung saan binalahan nila ang mga tao. At karamihan ng mga ito ay may kanya-kanyang mga pamilya at mga anak. Kasalanan ba ng Diyos kung hindi mo pinayagan ang iyong anak na mailigtas dahil sa hindi paniniwala kahit binigyan sila ng Diyos ng pagkakataon para iligtas ang kani-kaniyang mga anak
Kaya kung alam mong delikado tumira sa smoky mountain ay baket doon mo ititira ang iyong pamilya't mga anak.
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Post by rafael on Jul 26, 2008 19:23:18 GMT 10
Again I am not into reading bible verses, i will find time to post about children and innocent lives being killed by a god and will post later to justify my claims from what you answered.
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Post by Always on Jul 27, 2008 23:28:10 GMT 10
Okay but when you read the verses try reading the full chapter. For a faster start, read about the first born, children of canaanites, the flood or Sodom & Gomorrah
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