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Post by rafael on Oct 14, 2006 4:28:56 GMT 10
If you believe in aliens living outside our Milky Way, you believe in a life outside our planet and how does a theist conform to the bible's own version of Adam being the first man (life) he created? And man the only being created in his image?
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Post by Always on Oct 14, 2006 9:49:10 GMT 10
The universe is inhabited by innumerable spiritual free beings as well, beings which are not physical, at least not as we understand physics. I know this may seem like a ludicrous idea to you, but I bet you've already heard of the saying; "We Are Not Alone." Well?
That belief of mine still conform to what the Bible stands for The aliens I am referring to are angels created by God before us humans. I refer to them as the true ancients of the universe. If we have to believe in physics that there are many universes, then the Bible states the same referring to them as heavenS. The first heaven as we know it is ours denoting the elliptical universe where we live in. Nephilims are by-products between us and the fallen-ones
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Post by rafael on Oct 17, 2006 3:01:36 GMT 10
If nephilism defines a race of demons known as the Nephilim who mated with humans and this is believed to be a Pre-Adamic state,skeptics will have a strong ground to claim that your bible is inaccurate when it says that the first man is Adam.
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Post by Always on Oct 17, 2006 5:38:39 GMT 10
Let me rephrase it for you co'z it seems you miss it again in clear daylight:
Nephilisms are BY-PRODUCTS of mankind and the fallen ones
Anyway, Pre-Adamic Era is very clear that the prefix "PRE" itself means ealier than so who else were created earlier than Adam and Eve
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Post by ruth on Oct 19, 2006 1:14:19 GMT 10
well all I know is whether we are adopted sons and daugthers of God...or NOT! we are being blessed with provisions.
if one being evil can give good gifts to their children, how much more can God give to those He considers His children?
what it says here is that dispenses grace to those who do not deserve it . So does it really matter if you are an adopted son or daughter of God?
And how does one become adopted as a son or daughter of God?
.i havent read about nephilism or preadamic state..so wala pa ako maicomment jan.
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Post by delta on Nov 7, 2006 21:33:36 GMT 10
well all I know is whether we are adopted sons and daugthers of God...or NOT! we are being blessed with provisions. if one being evil can give good gifts to their children, how much more can God give to those He considers His children? what it says here is that dispenses grace to those who do not deserve it . So does it really matter if you are an adopted son or daughter of God? And how does one become adopted as a son or daughter of God? .i havent read about nephilism or preadamic state..so wala pa ako maicomment jan. ang pagka intindi ko, pag sinabing anak, pamilya yan, at iba yan kesa sa mga taga labas kahit pa sabihing pinagpala ang iba, iba ang anak kahit ito ay rebelde, anak pa rin.
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Post by delta on Nov 7, 2006 21:35:45 GMT 10
Lahat ay tumatanggap ng swerte at kamalasan, pero ang salitang anak ay kakaiba. So lahat nga ba tayo ay anak ng Diyos?
Sabi ng iba oo, sabi naman ng iba hindi.
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Post by ruth on Nov 10, 2006 0:51:53 GMT 10
rivers,
we are blessed whether or not we are part of the family of God.
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Post by supremo on Nov 10, 2006 6:08:27 GMT 10
kala ko mapupunta ang discussion sa pre-adamic theory..... Maybe this link can help regarding pre-adamic theory. Many christian support that idea......... www.kjvbible.org
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 23:14:46 GMT 10
ang pagka intindi ko, pag sinabing anak, pamilya yan, at iba yan kesa sa mga taga labas kahit pa sabihing pinagpala ang iba, iba ang anak kahit ito ay rebelde, anak pa rin.
Hindi ba minsan kapag bisita ka sa ibang bahay ang mga magulang ng nag-imbita sa iyo ay tinatawag kang nilang anak i.e. anak halikana't kumain wak ka hiya
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 23:16:18 GMT 10
kala ko mapupunta ang discussion sa pre-adamic theory..... Maybe this link can help regarding pre-adamic theory. Many christian support that idea......... www.kjvbible.org I think most of the allege~d agnostics are not ready yet on this
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Post by rafael on Nov 14, 2006 2:11:31 GMT 10
kala ko mapupunta ang discussion sa pre-adamic theory..... Maybe this link can help regarding pre-adamic theory. Many christian support that idea......... www.kjvbible.org
I have to read further about this.
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Post by Always on Nov 14, 2006 9:49:22 GMT 10
Once you are so deep into that, then, you would be able to realize the multicameral image of God
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Post by rafael on Nov 29, 2006 1:47:04 GMT 10
kala ko mapupunta ang discussion sa pre-adamic theory..... Maybe this link can help regarding pre-adamic theory. Many christian support that idea......... www.kjvbible.org
It would be much better if explicitly discussed here
Genesis Beyond the "Gap Theory" of Christian Creationism "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1 KJV) ? "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:2 KJV)
On this website you will learn about an alternative, lesser known literal interpretation of the Genesis narrative that does not contradict the scientific evidence for an Old Earth. Called the "Gap Theory" or Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation, it is primarily based on the Scriptural fact that, in the second verse of Genesis, the Holy Bible simply and clearly states that the planet Earth was already here (but in a ruined state) before the creative process of the seven days even begins. Why is that so? And what happened to the Earth in the time gap between the first two verses of the Genesis narrative? A key to unlocking this mystery is found in the precise wording of this New Testament cross-reference: "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (2 Pet 3:5-7 KJV)
Contrary to popular interpretation, the above passage is not a reference to Noah's flood (see Introduction Pages for specifics). And the only other place in the Bible where the Earth was covered in waters is Genesis 1:2. The ramifications are obvious: The literal wording suggests that the "heavens and the earth, which are now" (made during the seven days) was not the first-time creation of all things, as is traditionally assumed. If you have ears to hear, the Word of God appears to be telling the reader there was a previous world on the face of this old Earth before God formed the present world of modern Man. If true, this invalidates the Doctrine of Young Earth Creationism and opens a more perfect way to understanding how and why the Bible and the Geological record are in agreement.
There is a geological mystery in Earth's natural history at what is known as the Pleistocene - Holocene boundary. Science remains at a loss to explain the anomaly of an extraordinary body of evidence indicating global massive volcanism, gigantic tidal waves, seismic activity, large temperature swings, and mysterious mega fauna extinctions across the face of the Earth about 12,000 to 10,000 Radio Carbon years ago. It is no coincidence that the Bible at Genesis 1:2 describes the Earth as flooded, desolate, and in darkness in the timeframe closely corresponding to these catastrophic events in natural history.
Why the old "world that then was" ended, and why God made a new world and modern Man, requires a study into the ancient origins of Satan and the Angels. The Earth was originally established according to the Creator’s Intelligent Design and purpose. It has an ancient natural history that can be deciphered from the geologic record. It also has an equally important ancient spiritual history that can only be deciphered from the Bible. Knowledge of both is required to fully reconcile Geology and the Book of Genesis.
These are the generations [] of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, (Genesis 2:4 KJV) www.kjvbible.org/
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Post by migy on Dec 3, 2006 1:08:32 GMT 10
Rafael,
just for the record... aswer me on this please...
"Did you happen to Ask God and tell Him, if you are a True God, please send me a message or reveal unto me..."
Just wanted to ask you to try asking God about this...
HAve a Blessed Day to everyone...
Continue lang po...
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Post by Always on May 10, 2008 1:42:12 GMT 10
sayanz at di natuloy sa pre-adamic adventure
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Post by rafael on May 11, 2008 5:49:46 GMT 10
Rafael, just for the record... aswer me on this please... "Did you happen to Ask God and tell Him, if you are a True God, please send me a message or reveal unto me..." Just wanted to ask you to try asking God about this... HAve a Blessed Day to everyone... Continue lang po...
Maybe God could use you to reveal something to me. Would that be logical?
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Post by rafael on May 11, 2008 5:56:49 GMT 10
From kuya banshik Jesus Christ died for all mankind and did not set any condition that His death was conditional to those only born again
For me, that makes a lot of legality while thinking that it is free.
No, Christ has set conditions.
There is a necessary order in a man's Salvation; he must first believe that Christ died for him before he can appropriate the benefits of his death to himself.
Although Christ died for all in the sense of reconciling God to the world, not all are saved, because their actual Salvation is conditioned on their being reconciled to God
(2 Corinthians 5:18-20).
We conclude that the atonement is unlimited in the sense that it is available for all; it is limited in that it is effective only for those who believe.
It is available for all, but efficient only for the elect ( those who chose to believe on what Christ has done on the cross, by faith, and by being born in spirit and water, by being renewed in Christ)
For me, that makes a lot of legality, when it has to be free.
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Post by migy on Jun 15, 2008 15:58:25 GMT 10
and here's what am trying to share with you... "This is for Rafael and to others..." An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his Class on the Problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY.
He asks one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .
Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't.
How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
( Student is silent )
Professor : You can't answer, can you ?
Let's start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right.
Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ?
And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?
(Student does not answer)
Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?
( Student has no answer )
Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist.
What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat? Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold? Professor : Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
( The Lecture Theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events )
Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat,
White Heat, a Little Heat or No Heat...
But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat,
but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold.
Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
( There is Pin - Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )
Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something¡K
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called
Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death,
a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite,
something we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved
from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process,
yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
( The Professor shakes his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument is going )
Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On - Going Endeavor,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
( The Class is in Uproar )
Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?
( The Class breaks out into Laughter )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable,
Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?
(The Room is Silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . .
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.
It turned out later that the student is Albert Einstein. God Bless Us All... Rafael, just for the record... aswer me on this please... "Did you happen to Ask God and tell Him, if you are a True God, please send me a message or reveal unto me..." Just wanted to ask you to try asking God about this... HAve a Blessed Day to everyone... Continue lang po...
Maybe God could use you to reveal something to me. Would that be logical?
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Post by rafael on Aug 2, 2008 4:53:22 GMT 10
Speaking of God's "Children" will create a lot of theories and confuses lots of christians,that's why there are many of you who are divided in the faith. This god in the christian point of view must never be associated to parenting humans. If one says "some are children of god" then some becomes "little gods."
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Post by migy on Aug 31, 2008 18:24:58 GMT 10
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.
It turned out later that the student is Albert Einstein.
God Bless Us All...
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