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Post by Always on Apr 13, 2009 14:18:19 GMT 10
When we get to read the Book of Genesis, we will learn that there are different stories of creations in it. God's Science as we used to know it is "Supernaturalism"; and He has all the time in the universe in waiting for us to have the knowledge in understanding Him for His glory and beyond eternity.
What I am going to implore to you now is out of the ordinary teachings we learned from the Holy Bible; be it known that this is not to say the sacred book is not enough. Rather, we all know that it is fully sufficient to provide us solution to our ordinary chores in life that enable us believers to be adequately equipped for every good works; and especially in guiding us the wisdom that leads to salvation. I am not going to delete or add something to what is already written in the Scripture for the reason that It is the standard of truth to be studied, applied, and cherished. And what I am about to expose are theoritical observations done by people willing to know God's science. Of course there are instances that most scientists want to disprove God but by the end of their exposition, they end up learning more about the design of the c(k)osmos as an harmoniously systematic order done by an omni-intelligent designer.
I kno~~w ... I know from experience not only from here in P7 but also from our everyday lives that it is very hard to set aside what we've all learned from our Bible studies and indoctrination because nothing in this world is what it seems. We have to dig deeper in order for us to learn what God wants us to know !
From CHAOS to HARMONY
Chaos is a complex and yet an orderly beginning of any self-inclusive system. As a start to this (hopefully a) wonderful journey of knowledge & information, we all have to learn firsthand the origin of hell eons ago. And how it equates to the birth of our planet Earth.
Coincidence?
I have always thought that when God created the universe, the galaxies, the solar systems, the stars, and our planet, hell was somewhere there to be created after Lucifer and his angels rebelled against the Creator of all. I have always had this in my mind more than 5 years or so ago; but, I never had the visual to show such revelation which made my belief in God intact. Until recently while thinking of visiting P7 for a moment, a sudden rush dictated me to open my youtube account first to watch a series of Betty Lafea starring Bea Alonzo , but then, there it was, a path that gave way in seeing a recommendation from youtubers for having uploaded both a History Channel & NOVA series about how the Earth was made and its origin. Please watch with an open mind on how the Bible can truly co-exist with science as I will guide you through with provocative inputs.
Illustration 1: Primeval Hell
After seeing above visual, could it be a mere coincidence that Hell was first created on Earth in order to accomodate the Fallens Ones eons ago? The Book of Genesis pointed us in that direction of the simple fact that the Garden of Eden had been preceded by a previous creation. Even before skeptics of ancient times questioned the sovereignity of the Creator , no one really knows how land continents ,which gave way to life, arose from the hellish fire called Earth. They have always thought continents have always existed just like what they have previously believed about the universe. But one thing is certain: Life's origin was a chemical event.
Why? Because God supernaturalism is entirely based in the philosophy of a long-lost art of ancient chemistry. And with the knowledge of modern Physics, it is the current tool and the leading branch of science currently being used to observe a phenomena of a particular event of its theoretical cohesiveness. Once the Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, asteroid impacts periodically shattered and sterlized our planet for another half a billion years. And yet, within a few hundred million years of that hellish age, wherein the surface of the planet was purely molten lava. Thus, Hades is the picture face of the Earth itself during the Hadean Era as coined naturally.
Illustration 1: Hellish Origin of our Planet Earth
Take note that on 5:29 sequence of the video, it shows the Hadean face(surface) of Earth as hellish fire reigned in it (Matthew 25:41); and from 5:39 to 6:30, it shows countless bombardments of asteroid and meteors alike (Luke 10:18 & Revelation 12:9) as scenarios of fallinf particles from the heaven. What if those planetary objects bombarding the Hellish Earth were actually vessels of the Fallen Ones as they were thrown out from Heavens as commanded by God? Hell was created as a place of judgment for Satan and those who followed him in their rebellion against the Almighty. The imaginary visualization dictates it to be so.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
The teachings of the Bible dictate that God did not create Hell as a judgment for humanity. Rather, God created hell for the punishment of the devil and his angels and not as a place for hman beings to suffer as Jesus said in the abovementioned scripture.
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Post by Always on Apr 14, 2009 11:57:11 GMT 10
Before we continue our journey, let me give P7ers a li'l bit of informational background about the lost art of one of God's sciences called Al-Kimia. Historically, this lost art is the pursuit of transforming common metals into valuable things such as silver or even to gold itself. A very advance science liken to the common ground(dust) being transformed by God into a biological being. An anti-science people would say or perhaps a protoscience because God's creation of Adam has never yet been tested adeaquately by known scientific method but which are otherwise consistent of other science; and although an ancient science, this art established itself as a legitimate science being allowing it to develop into a science proper called Chemistry.
Yes, I am talking about ALCHEMY; but of course mankind learn the equivalency of lesser knowledge but the idea is the same as having a sort of transmutation in process. The philosophy of Alchemy itself had its scientific connection not only with Chemistry but also to Physics, Synthesis of Noble Metal, Nuclear Transmutation, Scientific Method, Pseudoscience, Obsolete Scientific Theories, Historicism et al.
Alchemy had also been correlated with Magic, Sorcery, Faith Healing, and Witchcraft as a matter of Supernaturalism. As the case maybe an instance of sorting, I have come to believe that above correlation are sciences in themselves though our era is not accomodating yet to prove them to be true (as of now.) One thing is certain though - Alchemy Is!
- If God's act of creating is Supernaturalism;
- and He uses Advance Alchemy to do His act;
- and since Alchemy is science;
- therefore, Supernaturalism is Science.
Resurrection of the Dead or Scientifically known as Lazarus Syndrome or Lazarus Phenomena.
1Corinthians 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
☻/ NEXT: A Continent Rising /¨„ / \ C~Yah Later ... Enjoy For Now
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Post by Always on Apr 15, 2009 0:56:23 GMT 10
Previously on AXIOM of CREATION:
llustrations showed the visualization of how Earth emerged as a planet of molten lava had an uncanny resemblance to God's design of hell for Satan and his angels as attested in the Books of Matthew 25:41; of Revelation 12:4 & 12:9. I also showed the correlation of creation based from scientific presentation to that of God's own science as in a twinkling of an eye.
Now, we continue ...
Time and again, believers always have the idea that the Book of Revelation is about salvation and what will happen to us in the future; that is not so. Revelation is so many things to both rational & irrational minds because it is also about expansion of things not necessarily seen in the Book of Genesis. Our next part of the series is how the first sign of land came to exist and how Satan and his minions waited for it to happen as shown by God to John at Patmos.
Rev 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
Here, everyone can easily see the gap as the comma disctates it so; the gap is Time itself. Since God is not bound by time, the Fallens were, Satan and his minions pursued time by waiting for mankind to exist. Satan has this mission to wage war against humanity as is with Revelation 12:17; except for the fact that he started his deception in the paradise created for the very first couple.
Illustration 3: Waterworld to Granite Continent
Gen 1:6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." Gen 1:7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.
When God performed miracles(sciences) in a span of so many billion of years (as in 365/1 Earth time), our ancestors have retold the account of His creation as if it were only done in days, which I will be dealing with this scenario diligently at the near-end of the main topic. God performed countless miracles, yet skeptics did not believe in Him. If God performed miracles today like He did in the past, would there be a difference? Well, people would be amazed and would believe in God, but for a short time just like what happened during the time of Moses.
In our midst, God still perform sciences(miracles) today - they simply go unnoticed or denied. But God has His way by letting scientists in fully understanding the nature of His creations (re: Illustration 3) from molten-lava surface (hell) of Earth in becoming into a waterworld planet (Genesis 1:6-7).
All of the water is in the form of vapor (try to cook something and when it boils, check out the lid of the sauce pan - water appears in the form of vapor), a worldwide superfog effectuated by the molten Earth's surface. God's "hovering over the waters" mentioned in Genesis 1:2 was Him being above the clouds or the gaseous-water atmosphere (just like on the lid of a sauce pan) and not a liquid ocean. But then, God caused most of the water to condensed onto the cooling earth which simultaneously formed our waterworld and cleared the sky out of poisonous atmostphere.
Illustration 4: Proto-Paradise within Hell
Gen 1:9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.
The further cooling of the Hellish surface of our planet set the process of uplifting motion of granite-like crust within the plate tectonics, which until now is a continuing process since the rising of continents. Be it known that the Third day of Creation story was billions of years [re: Illustration 4(8:10) or 3 billion years] in the making until God's determinism is put in action for the perfect fit for the first couple because He needs everything is filtered out for safety such as drinkable water, breathable oxygen, or carbon-dioxide-less atmosphere from green water reflection into blue imagery.
☻/ NEXT: PRE-ADAMAIC Paradoxides & the Rise of Rodenia /¨„ / \ Try reading from the beginning ... then have an imaginative enjoyment
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Post by Always on Apr 19, 2009 23:37:44 GMT 10
Scientifically or Biblically so, I hope by this time that you already have a mere glance of the logic or at least perceive as to why paradise is created within the realm of Hell
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 2:23:17 GMT 10
I have to find time to read this, but later dahil pagooood talaga meh and besides talagang talaga hehe....
and will perhaps comment later..
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Post by rafael on Apr 20, 2009 3:30:57 GMT 10
So what else can one mind do but to some extent take parts of philosophical ideas to fit in to what it desires in order to achieve its own .
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 9:13:52 GMT 10
Mukhang meron akong konting time ngayon- OK question and answer cguro to, but let us make it simplier, para yung mga bisi na walang time talagang gumawa ng readings and studies maka contribute kahit paano in simplier forms.
I have always thought that when God created the universe, the galaxies, the solar systems, the stars, and our planet, hell was somewhere there to be created after Lucifer and his angels rebelled against the Creator of all.
After seeing above visual, could it be a mere coincidence that Hell was first created on Earth in order to accomodate the Fallens Ones eons ago?
hindi ko muna na view yung video but basing from the post i would like to ask: about the possibility of the creation of hell first out of chaos which is a possibility-
but then- it would create the impression that God had it coming from the very the beginning and therefore would imply that the "lake of fire" described as the second death on judgment day is existing from the very beginning? and this will be a state of literal existence in contrast to previous arguments that " the lake of fire" is yet to exist?
more querries coming kc may time meh now-
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 9:34:57 GMT 10
I kno~~w ... I know from experience not only from here in P7 but also from our everyday lives that it is very hard to set aside what we've all learned from our Bible studies and indoctrination because nothing in this world is what it seems. We have to dig deeper in order for us to learn what God wants us to know !
I could only speak for myself and yet understand others, and i would like to refer to the "hell topic" we have.-
The arguments there is about the word "hell" about the state and/or mode of existence not the total absence,implying that there is of course some extent of agreement , and if i agree also to some extent that Luke 16:21-32 is true, I couldn't agree more about "hell" refered to as the second death and that would be the lake of fire
which the latter refers to that chaotic origin posted above saying, in the beginning and yet would consider other bible teachings with elements of contrast to that ( in the beginning) note: the implication that the lake of fire is yet to exist but some theories as mentioned above, also imply that hell is that lake of fire created in the beginning as part of that chaotic state before the fall? hmm mukhang need ng expansive imaginations nga-
at any rate let's proceed....
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 9:56:51 GMT 10
Previously on AXIOM of CREATION:
llustrations showed the visualization of how Earth emerged as a planet of molten lava had an uncanny resemblance to God's design of hell for Satan and his angels as attested in the Books of Matthew 25:41; of Revelation 12:4 & 12:9. I also showed the correlation of creation based from scientific presentation to that of God's own science as in a twinkling of an eye.
Now, we continue ...
Genesis 1 The Beginning 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
when it says the earth was formless and empty does it mean chaotic?
I think yes- because it has no harmony, no form until God created harmony.
So did He intentionally make the universe without form in the very beginning?
but why chaos as in big bang?
there is the idea that the universe long ago was inconceivably a small volume of space, which has been expanding ever since. The most important observation supporting the concept of an expanding universe is the ‘red shift’ of light from distant stars.
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 10:08:37 GMT 10
but here is the question Phil, If the universe came from a big bang, which could be possible when the bible says:
the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep
the universe in the beginning has no form-
Do you agree that the big bang should produce evenly distributed matter?
Isn't the big bang a significance of chaos? does chaos mean a cause for even distribution of matters?
I personally imagine that chaos brings about uneven form, like an accident-no harmonious design as in formless and empty but why could it be that there is a notion and hope that demonstration of matter is uniformly distributed throughout the cosmos (when a large enough scale is considered).?
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 10:19:08 GMT 10
Yan muna ang point of interest ko, i will try to find some more time na join sa discussions-
migs? supremo? ruth? leanne?
by the way i took some from this link and opted to bring out questions there, as i myself has. I donot discard the big bang theory because i find it as an archetype of God's creation in the beginning. Why shouldn't it be? www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/big_bang.asp
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Post by Always on Apr 20, 2009 17:33:42 GMT 10
Though hindi pa tapos ang presentation ko ay meron pa din phase that I could be able to answer some of the querries being brought up para hindi naman ako nagmo-monologue
Lake of fire is still to happen in the future; the hellish origin of the planet is not enough degree to burn all things. Tingnan na lang natin ang araw masyadong mainit pero hindi pa din sapat para sunugin niya ang lahat ng bagay.
Pero ang hellish origin natin ay sapat ang kanyang degree of heat para magbigay daan sa pagsulpot ng ibang bagay at elemento para maging ganap ang planeta para ito ay matirhan ng tao. Ito ang logic kung baket may paradise sa Hell hanggang sa hell ay maitabi sa kagitnaan ng planeta na muling bubukas para itapon sa Lake of Fire.
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Post by Always on Apr 20, 2009 17:47:20 GMT 10
I kno~~w ... I know from experience not only from here in P7 but also from our everyday lives that it is very hard to set aside what we've all learned from our Bible studies and indoctrination because nothing in this world is what it seems. We have to dig deeper in order for us to learn what God wants us to know !
I could only speak for myself and yet understand others, and i would like to refer to the "hell topic" we have.-
The arguments there is about the word "hell" about the state and/or mode of existence not the total absence,implying that there is of course some extent of agreement , and if i agree also to some extent that Luke 16:21-32 is true, I couldn't agree more about "hell" refered to as the second death and that would be the lake of fire
which the latter refers to that chaotic origin posted above saying, in the beginning and yet would consider other bible teachings with elements of contrast to that ( in the beginning) note: the implication that the lake of fire is yet to exist but some theories as mentioned above, also imply that hell is that lake of fire created in the beginning as part of that chaotic state before the fall? hmm mukhang need ng expansive imaginations nga-
at any rate let's proceed....
Again, Lake of Fire is not the hellish origin of Earth; rather, it is just a different stage of state that could swallow anything in its path. Scientifically, you can connote that with the existing Black Hole in the center of our own galaxy. I also have a topic about this scenario in which in the fourth quarter of year 2012, our planet would be in direct parallel with our galactic equator. This is the end of times or the year of the Aquarius.
Think of it as another version of cancer wherein the Lake of Fire is another form of hell but more devastating. Btw, the ancient called the black hole with two different state - the bringer of death or the birthgiver of a new light.
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Post by Always on Apr 20, 2009 18:19:37 GMT 10
Chaos is almost needed in everything. How does one cook his or her own food? Boiling, steaming, frying, stewing, broiling, baking, microwaving or BBQing? How does an automotive engine start? How does an aircon operate? The matter is, BBQing as an example is chaos in itself because it needs fire that could burn you but once you're meat is done harmoniously, you can easily taste it with please.
God always say "good" to His creations and "very good" when He's done creating. The concept that the universe keeps on expanding is the idea of progressive creation. God may have stopped creating the "sun" but the sun never stopped giving us solar light & energy until the day it already rendered its purpose (as in th 2nd L of Thermodynamic.)
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Post by Always on Apr 20, 2009 18:44:48 GMT 10
Let me give you a very good example of big bang simulation which you can easily experience it yourself or with other peers. This simulation was one of my aces in class b4; and the answer to that is ... do you really want to know Well, the process itself is the expulsion of intestinal gases from the anus! For reference purpses of this topic, yes, it is farting!
O dibah kapag hindi mo nailabas ang utot mo eh sobrang 'chaotic' pro kapag nailbas mo na eh mapi-feel mo na ang harmonious state. Ganyan din ang universe natin at nakikita ng siyensya ang pinagmulan nito dahil nga sa mga natitirang rays of both enerhiya at matter kaya nakakalkula nila ang ano mang gusto nilang malaman. Ganyan din ang fart natin nalalama din natin ang pinagmulan nito dahil sa amoy o dibah?
Sorry for the usage.
Another ehemplo is the sun after the big bang. Ang surface of the sun is chaotic pa din dahil sa pabugso-bugso nitong mga solar flares. Buti na lang at meron ang planeta natin ng tinatawag na Magnetic Field at kundi dahil sa mga ito ay nalusaw na tayo lahat. But because of an Intelligent Designer ay naging unifom ang distribution ng enerhiya sa mundo.
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Post by Always on Apr 20, 2009 18:47:42 GMT 10
HHHHHmmmm .... teka sino ang umutot diyan? Ehew!!!!
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2009 19:44:09 GMT 10
nice topic itong chaos- kung farting is one example of chaos- sa mga paramedics ito ay isang biochemical process...
ok- we can give examples of chaos- it is enlightening also to others kc pag sinabing chaos ang nasa isip e napakagulong process, revolution or explosions at hindi na natin naisip ang changes- may it be mild or super strong-
ok itutuloy
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Post by delta on Apr 21, 2009 13:48:28 GMT 10
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Post by Always on May 21, 2009 12:52:16 GMT 10
Kapag na-brokenheart ka nagiging chaotic ang mundo mo pero kapag naka-move-on kana eh nagiging harmonious naman ang takbo ng buhay mo hanggang sa makahanap ka ulet ng heart to harmonize hehehehe
THE CYCLE OF LOVE!
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Post by Always on Jun 23, 2009 10:53:30 GMT 10
I'll continue this later with my signature color.
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Post by mrExdobal on Jul 3, 2009 22:27:43 GMT 10
Nagbabasa
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Post by Always on Oct 4, 2009 21:24:10 GMT 10
Our sun is nearing its way to the galactic equator of our galaxy; and 3 years and 3 months from now that the end of times is also nearing to its last stage. ;-)
NEXT: The future cycle of life!
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Post by migy on Oct 4, 2009 22:40:31 GMT 10
I've just smelled the Heart, not the Fart!~... but it's nice to see your post "Parekoy" at the same time am still saddened on what had happened to our Dear Country....
Kapag na-brokenheart ka nagiging chaotic ang mundo mo pero kapag naka-move-on kana eh nagiging harmonious naman ang takbo ng buhay mo hanggang sa makahanap ka ulet ng heart to harmonize hehehehe
THE CYCLE OF LOVE!
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Post by linsi on Oct 5, 2009 2:03:55 GMT 10
Phil ?cge esep..esep
napunta kc sa cycle of love- mukhang daming cycles ah!
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Post by Always on Sept 1, 2010 16:12:01 GMT 10
I hope that I'll find the good time with my lap top and continue in this area once again. God has his ways.
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Post by Always on Jan 14, 2011 15:19:49 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Feb 13, 2011 10:32:55 GMT 10
The Universe is in the continual state of expansion.
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