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Post by rafael on Aug 24, 2006 17:52:13 GMT 10
If suicide is unpardonable, what happens to the only unpardonable sin which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
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Post by rafael on Sept 22, 2006 1:39:56 GMT 10
Anyone?
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Post by Always on Sept 23, 2006 22:36:21 GMT 10
Then it would be the two of them to 2 different circumstances
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Post by rafael on Sept 25, 2006 2:20:42 GMT 10
Then it would be the two of them to 2 different circumstances
At last an answer.
But there is only one unforgivable sin, which chistianity teaches, that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit therefore can we say that suicide is pardonable?
Can anybody throroughly explain the unpardonable sin and the idea that suicide is unpardonable?
motivating factors in suicide concerns the inability to cope with a debilitating illness and unrelenting pain. Assisted suicide has gained national and international attention in the media. Over the years, the idea of euthanasia has been discussed and debated, but never have so many sought to enlist the help of medical professionals in ending their lives. Euthanasia is defined in Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary, as "the intentional causing of a painless and easy death to a patient suffering from an incurable or painful disease." As people have become more aggressive in their "right" to end the suffering of terminal illnesses or the ravages of old age, the issue of assisted suicide has taken on monumental significance among many groups who wish to see euthanasia become one of the "rights" that all people possess. News reports are filled with stories of people seeking to end their lives with the help of a medical professional.
Dr. Charles Stanley
Suicide is wrong but is it unpardonable? Hope to get a more extensive reply.
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:08:31 GMT 10
since christians are taught that ending one's life in the form of suicide (because there is murder and another one a deliberate killing from others) is a great mistake against God then, it is categorized as a sin..
and it is also a form of jugment because in my own experience, from my household, and at school (catholic school) to commit suicide is unpardonable, this is without biblical support or any extensive explanations whatsoever, so we took it as it was.
when God found me in my new faith, christians in my church taught me that right after death judgment comes, so i thought suicide is unpardonable and can never be forgiven because we are only forgiven while living..(this is in support of after death comes judgment)
a very sensitive topic because if i say that God can possibly forgive suicide..and readers happen to come across this room, i might either be condmned and many might commit suicide. but let us examine suicide.. sige na nga ...I hope always, supremo and the rest could give their own pov.
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:17:12 GMT 10
According to Fred Meeks
Another way of approaching suicide is that of illness.
Since the 19th century, suicide has been seen more as a symptom than a sin. People who take their own lives are viewed as suffering from emotional, psychological, mental or spiritual illness. Clearly this is true. Those who commit suicide are not truly healthy at the time. They literally are not in their "right minds." Realizing that people who commit suicide are not really themselves at the time helps to put this act in perspective.
Now, are mentally ill persons bound to hell? In my own pov, i would answer NO...let us further study this, whoever refutes it..
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:22:37 GMT 10
The only sin the Bible declares to be unforgivable is that of blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31-32).
Bible scholars debate what this sin actually is. The basic meaning is that of denying the work of the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is the person of the
Trinity who convicts of sin and offers God's forgiveness for sin, to reject the work of the Holy Spirit is to reject forgiveness--by definition, the unpardonable sin (to refuse to be pardoned is unpardonable).
A related sin is the "sin unto death" in 1 John 5:16-17. This probably is a reference to rejecting Jesus Christ and the salvation he alone provides.
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:26:16 GMT 10
I would like to invest on those postings above for my premise that God is a just God and He knows what he is doing.
I still believe that we are judged by God through the motives of our hearts. a mentally ill person is definitely out of a sound mind which is God's measurement regarding responsibility and culpability. How could a just God send someone who is mentally ill to perdition when he has no sense of responsibility and culpability?
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:37:51 GMT 10
God deals with us in case to case basis, and i believe ( my own) that God deals with us according to our capacities and characters. as what he did with the 12 different attitudes of the 12 disciples...
in one case of a terminal illness with severe and uncontained pain..as in brain cancer patients, a case of illness where days are numbered, is it a sin to desire death? when one could not contain it anymore? Will God not understand? I don't think so..
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:41:15 GMT 10
In case of POWS, or even during the time of holocaust, when you know you are about to be butchered and before that you will undergo torture tests, and your mind floated with fear and confusions and you cannot contain it anymore.. you then took a pill to end your life, anyway it will be cut short you just made it earlier for your enemies,
the point is it is beyond your capacity to undergo torture knowing that the end you are about to be butchered ..
Will God not understand?
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Post by linsi on Oct 18, 2006 0:43:27 GMT 10
We have christian teachings, we have the bible, we have the moral laws, but at the end we could never know how God will judge us all..
Christians must stick to the bible..that is the only safe haven for all of us and live our lives.. but with others..
Only God can answer that.
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Post by delta on Oct 20, 2006 16:03:56 GMT 10
So pwede pa palang mapatawad depende sa suicide?
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Post by brnd on Oct 23, 2006 20:06:42 GMT 10
No one seems to know the answer.
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Post by supremo on Nov 6, 2006 1:50:08 GMT 10
No one seems to know the answer.with the given circumstances by linsi, i think it's pardonable....but frankly speaking i don't know the answer
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Post by peng on Nov 16, 2006 13:26:10 GMT 10
Ang hirap naman ng topic na ito. Paano kung ang isang nagpakamatay na ay humingi ng tawad sa Diyos bago gawin yun,mapapatawad pa rin ba siya ng Diyos? At yung iba ay may mga sulat pang ginawa bago nagpakamatay?
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Post by supremo on Nov 24, 2006 2:25:25 GMT 10
Ang hirap naman ng topic na ito. Paano kung ang isang nagpakamatay na ay humingi ng tawad sa Diyos bago gawin yun,mapapatawad pa rin ba siya ng Diyos? At yung iba ay may mga sulat pang ginawa bago nagpakamatay? Hmm...mali ata sequence nun...hingi tawad muna, tapos gawa kasalanan.... ;D Kung hihingi ka tawad, dapat di mo na gagawin di ba??? Medyo magulo nga. Question is, lahat ba ng nagpapakamatay eh, wala sa normal na pagiisip???
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Post by tinkerbelle on Nov 25, 2006 3:12:55 GMT 10
walang kapatawaran yon...sinong maysabing may karapatan tayong kumitil ng buhay o kitlin ang sarili nating buhay...na hindi naman sa atin nanggaling....?
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Post by tinkerbelle on Nov 25, 2006 3:15:20 GMT 10
Ang hirap naman ng topic na ito. Paano kung ang isang nagpakamatay na ay humingi ng tawad sa Diyos bago gawin yun,mapapatawad pa rin ba siya ng Diyos? At yung iba ay may mga sulat pang ginawa bago nagpakamatay? Peng...parang si Judas...walang pinagkaiba...he took his life kasi he felt guilty sa nagawa nya...
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Post by peng on Nov 25, 2006 20:42:39 GMT 10
Ang hirap naman ng topic na ito. Paano kung ang isang nagpakamatay na ay humingi ng tawad sa Diyos bago gawin yun,mapapatawad pa rin ba siya ng Diyos? At yung iba ay may mga sulat pang ginawa bago nagpakamatay? Hmm...mali ata sequence nun...hingi tawad muna, tapos gawa kasalanan.... ;D Kung hihingi ka tawad, dapat di mo na gagawin di ba??? Medyo magulo nga. Question is, lahat ba ng nagpapakamatay eh, wala sa normal na pagiisip??? Palagay ko, may nagpapakamatay na normal ang isip, humingi pa nga sila ng tawad bago gawin yun. Ang tanong ngayon, papano ba ang pagpapatawad ng Diyos, yaman namang humingi ng tawad pauna ang magpapakamatay. Mukhang nakakalito na yata.
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Post by rafael on Nov 29, 2006 1:50:00 GMT 10
a very sensitive topic because if i say that God can possibly forgive suicide..and readers happen to come across this room, i might either be condmned and many might commit suicide. but let us examine suicide.. sige na nga ...I hope always, supremo and the rest could give their own pov.
That's the point.
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Post by linsi on Dec 4, 2006 13:03:30 GMT 10
nowhere in the bible did i see that suicide is "unpardonable" the only thing i could say is life is a very precious gift fom God to end it before it is due.
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Post by migy on Dec 4, 2006 17:07:12 GMT 10
Yeah, i agree with this...kaya si Judas.... i don't wanna sound judgemental pero si God pa rin ang nakaka alam about Him (Judas)...
Minsan nga sabi ko, what if i allow ng Lord na mamatay ako at taNONG ko lang kung Inn si Judas or Out...
Linds,
di rin kase excuse yung kakausapin ang Lord then mag so sorry then mag su suicide... i think di pa rin didinggin ng Lord yun...
Mahirap tong topic, pero kung according sa Word of God (Bible)
Wala talagang Particular Verse na magsasabi na maliligtas pa rin ang mga nagpapatiwakal...[/size]
nowhere in the bible did i see that suicide is "unpardonable" the only thing i could say is life is a very precious gift fom God to end it before it is due.
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Post by tinkerbelle on Dec 5, 2006 3:50:06 GMT 10
one of the ten commandments..."thou shalt not kill"
suicide..means..."killing one's self" i also define suicide as...self murder...
kung yung murder nga lang...punishable by human law...and against the 10 commandments...yung kayang self murder saang category yon...
may exemption to the rule ba?ibig bang sabihin..depende sa tipo ng kasalanan???
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Post by linsi on Dec 6, 2006 13:13:40 GMT 10
do we have suicide prevention lines sa pinas?
religion also plays important factor on suicide, cguro yung mga naniniwala sa kabayanihan, like kamikase, suicide bombings at reincarnation.
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Post by linsi on Dec 6, 2006 13:16:08 GMT 10
Depression can lead to suicide. The warning signs of suicide change with age.
Warning signs of suicide in children and teens may include preoccupation with death or suicide or a recent breakup of a relationship. Warning signs of suicide in adults may include alcohol or substance abuse, recent job loss, or divorce. Warning signs of suicide in older adults may include the recent death of a partner or diagnosis of a life-limiting illness.
healthwise
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