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Post by rafael on Aug 20, 2006 19:33:25 GMT 10
The False and Lazy Charge of Hypocrisy by Thomas M. Sipos
What is hypocrisy?
A hypocrite is someone who: (1) advocates a standard, (2) publicly applies that standard to himself, (3) fails to meet that standard, and (4) hides or denies his failure.
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Post by rafael on Aug 20, 2006 19:41:15 GMT 10
What really is so awful about hypocrisy?
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Post by charlie on Aug 21, 2006 13:20:45 GMT 10
What really is so awful about hypocrisy?
Napaka awful talaga, ang katulad nito siguro yung mga chismoso at chismosa pero laging nagsisimba.
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Post by fruthie on Aug 21, 2006 21:11:32 GMT 10
Hypocrite during Jesus' time are actually actors and actresses wearing masks.
At that time, wala pa itong negative meaning..
nagkaron lang ito ng negative meaning...when Jesus used the term hypocrites to refer to the Pharisees...
kasi they are legalistic, trying to follow the law...yet..
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Post by ruth on Aug 22, 2006 1:46:11 GMT 10
What really is so awful about hypocrisy?
Napaka awful talaga, ang katulad nito siguro yung mga chismoso at chismosa pero laging nagsisimba. kaya nga ba mas maganda...gamitin ang Bible to correct, to rebuke etc... ang hirap kasi...as Christians we have to be sensitive to each others needs...and that includes listening.... so that you will see things from her/his perspective....you have to know the person deeply... para in case may problem sya...at kailangan ng advice/instruction or even correction...alam mo kung ano ang tama para sa specific need nya... the problem is...not all people can accept correction easily...so di kagad makikinig... and then of course...we will consult other people for second opinion... jan na nagsisimula ang chismis... mas mabuti pa...gamitin ang Bible...as a means of telling a story...di na kelangan mag-banggit ng pangalan.. problema...baka dating naman ay PARINIG...problema din yan.. ang totoo..being a Christian does not only involve using your heart pati rin utak para maging mas tactful at careful tayo.. kasi yung mga bagay bagay being shared to us IN TRUST...ay di naman basta basta maiintinidhan ng ibang tao... nagraramble ba daw ako ahehhehe! daming DOUBLE MEANING NOH?
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Post by ruth on Aug 22, 2006 1:47:17 GMT 10
minsan pati...there is huge difference between JUDGEMENT and DISCERNMENT... halimbawa: alam na alam mo...na ang kaibigan mo ay masusunog...dahil ang bahay nya ay nasusunog... kung di ka gagawa ng paraan para gisingin sya... dadalhin mo sa konsensya mo yun kapag nasunog sya di ba? kaya lang pag ginising mo sya at ang sunog ay di naman natuloy..papagalitan ka pa dahil di natuloy..INISTORBO mo lang sya sa mahimbing na tulog nya...napagod pa! ;D o kaya ginising mo sya at natuloy nga ang sunog ? anong tawag dito DISCERNMENT O JUDGEMENT?
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Post by ruth on Aug 22, 2006 1:51:55 GMT 10
balik tayo sa Hypocrisy ng konti..
ibahin natin ng konti...kung bahay ng kaibigan mo ang nasusunog...talagang affected ka di ba? kaya nga daming considerations..
eh kung bahay yun ng kaaway mo? sasabihin mo ba na...ay wala akong pakialam dyan...mabuti nga sa kanya na masunog sya! CRUEL di ba?
o kaya naman...pwede mong sabihin...naku kawawa naman...kahit ganun yang tao na yan...tao pa rin yan...gisingin natin...HYPOCRISY ba yan?
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Post by linsi on Aug 22, 2006 1:54:26 GMT 10
napunta sa judgment ok paano nga ba sasabihing ipokrita ka?
or ipokrito ka?
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Post by linsi on Aug 22, 2006 1:58:41 GMT 10
The False and Lazy Charge of Hypocrisy by Thomas M. Sipos
What is hypocrisy?
A hypocrite is someone who: (1) advocates a standard, (2) publicly applies that standard to himself, (3) fails to meet that standard, and (4) hides or denies his failure.
Most everyone agrees that a speaker's moral character is irrelevant to the validity of his argument, and yet to this rule of Logic, most everyone also regards hypocrites as unworthy advocates.
If one does not live what he preaches then his preaching becomes dead and untrue..
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Post by linsi on Aug 22, 2006 2:01:44 GMT 10
Hi rafael
When one fails to meet a standard then he is hypocrite. a pastor who cheats on his wife is one good example of failing to meet a standard.
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Post by ruth on Aug 22, 2006 2:10:54 GMT 10
Hi rafael
When one fails to meet a standard then he is hypocrite. a pastor who cheats on his wife is one good example of failing to meet a standard.but all of us fail to meet God's standards di ba linsi? kaya may karugtong.. fails to meet the standard...and DENIES it and covers it up..by wearing a mask! ang tanong what is the difference between wearing a mask and protecting people yo love? being discreet from being a hypocrite? alangan namang ipamayagpag mo pa ang dirty laundry mo sa madla...and then be proud of it.. kung pamarisan ka pa? pwede namang mag-admit ng failures...without airing ur dirty laundry...
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Post by charlie on Aug 22, 2006 10:46:27 GMT 10
Napaka awful talaga, ang katulad nito siguro yung mga chismoso at chismosa pero laging nagsisimba. kaya nga ba mas maganda...gamitin ang Bible to correct, to rebuke etc... ang hirap kasi...as Christians we have to be sensitive to each others needs...and that includes listening.... so that you will see things from her/his perspective....you have to know the person deeply... para in case may problem sya...at kailangan ng advice/instruction or even correction...alam mo kung ano ang tama para sa specific need nya... the problem is...not all people can accept correction easily...so di kagad makikinig... and then of course...we will consult other people for second opinion... jan na nagsisimula ang chismis... mas mabuti pa...gamitin ang Bible...as a means of telling a story...di na kelangan mag-banggit ng pangalan.. problema...baka dating naman ay PARINIG...problema din yan.. ang totoo..being a Christian does not only involve using your heart pati rin utak para maging mas tactful at careful tayo.. kasi yung mga bagay bagay being shared to us IN TRUST...ay di naman basta basta maiintinidhan ng ibang tao... nagraramble ba daw ako ahehhehe! daming DOUBLE MEANING NOH? Mahirap din kung palaging bible, makikita naman ang meaning ng pagiging hypocrite kahit sa mga sinasabi ng mga lola natin di ba? Yun yung mapagkunyari, sabi ng sabi hindi naman magawa di ba ganun yun?
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Post by fruthie on Aug 22, 2006 16:09:47 GMT 10
santong kabayo,,natatawa ako hihihi!
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Post by charlie on Aug 24, 2006 14:50:52 GMT 10
balik tayo sa Hypocrisy ng konti.. ibahin natin ng konti...kung bahay ng kaibigan mo ang nasusunog...talagang affected ka di ba? kaya nga daming considerations.. eh kung bahay yun ng kaaway mo? sasabihin mo ba na...ay wala akong pakialam dyan...mabuti nga sa kanya na masunog sya! CRUEL di ba? o kaya naman...pwede mong sabihin...naku kawawa naman...kahit ganun yang tao na yan...tao pa rin yan...gisingin natin...HYPOCRISY ba yan?
na helo yata c meh sa pagbasa chakit ulo
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Post by fruthie on Aug 24, 2006 15:28:48 GMT 10
balik tayo sa Hypocrisy ng konti.. ibahin natin ng konti...kung bahay ng kaibigan mo ang nasusunog...talagang affected ka di ba? kaya nga daming considerations.. eh kung bahay yun ng kaaway mo? sasabihin mo ba na...ay wala akong pakialam dyan...mabuti nga sa kanya na masunog sya! CRUEL di ba? o kaya naman...pwede mong sabihin...naku kawawa naman...kahit ganun yang tao na yan...tao pa rin yan...gisingin natin...HYPOCRISY ba yan?
na helo yata c meh sa pagbasa chakit ulo
ako din nahehelo sa post ko na yan! hehehhe... ;D
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Post by rafael on Aug 24, 2006 17:32:29 GMT 10
Hi rafael
When one fails to meet a standard then he is hypocrite. a pastor who cheats on his wife is one good example of failing to meet a standard.Hi linsi You forgot the number 4 element Failing to meet one's own standards is not hypocrisy. If an obese woman advocates dieting, but laments the difficulty of sticking to one, is she a hypocrite? Of course not. She has failed to meet her standards, to follow her own advice. But she is not a hypocrite because Element # 4 is missing. She never claimed to stick to her diet.
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Post by rafael on Aug 24, 2006 17:34:05 GMT 10
Thus, a Christian minister who routinely confesses to being a sinner (as many Christians do), or a rich liberal who laments that public schools are just not good enough for his children, would not be hypocrites. They advocate certain standards, yet admit to falling short.
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Post by fruthie on Aug 24, 2006 18:41:41 GMT 10
Hi rafael
When one fails to meet a standard then he is hypocrite. a pastor who cheats on his wife is one good example of failing to meet a standard.Hi linsi You forgot the number 4 element Failing to meet one's own standards is not hypocrisy. If an obese woman advocates dieting, but laments the difficulty of sticking to one, is she a hypocrite? Of course not. She has failed to meet her standards, to follow her own advice. But she is not a hypocrite because Element # 4 is missing. She never claimed to stick to her diet. to rafael and linsi, but all of us fail to meet God's standards di ba linsi? kaya may karugtong.. fails to meet the standard...and DENIES it and covers it up..by wearing a mask! ang tanong what is the difference between wearing a mask and protecting people yo love? being discreet from being a hypocrite? alangan namang ipamayagpag mo pa ang dirty laundry mo sa madla...and then be proud of it.. kung pamarisan ka pa? pwede namang mag-admit ng failures...without airing ur dirty laundry... di ba?
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Post by linsi on Aug 28, 2006 2:56:07 GMT 10
From fruthie to rafael and linsi, but all of us fail to meet God's standards di ba linsi? kaya may karugtong..
fruthie
korek lahat tayo ay hindi nakaka meet ng standard ng Diyos but it does not mean we must not preach what God wanted us to preach,dahil wala nang mag p preach kung ganun remember God chooses ordinary people, as a matter of fact he chooses the foolish things of this world to shame the wise, tayo ay nagiging hypocrite ayun sa discussed level ni rafael kung denied natin as what you said, when we preach the word of God and admit that we are faulty then we are not hypocrites pala.
but this does not mean an excuse for not keeping up God's standard because God knows if we are abusive or not or simply weak...but trying our best to cope up,,fails to meet the standard...and DENIES it and covers it up..by wearing a mask!
Yun pong deny at and covers it up by a mask has double meaning.
ang tanong what is the difference between wearing a mask and protecting people yo love?
You can protect people you love even without wearing a mask.
being discreet from being a hypocrite?
discretion is simply the ability to keep sensitive information secret
it is a right to protect your privacy and that is not hypocricy.
alangan namang ipamayagpag mo pa ang dirty laundry mo sa madla...and then be proud of it.. kung pamarisan ka pa? pwede namang mag-admit ng failures...without airing ur dirty laundry... di ba?
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Post by charlie on Sept 3, 2006 14:13:25 GMT 10
You hypocrite, trying hard, second rate copy cat wah kainis kse yang mga yan sabay sampal sway sa kanan, sway sa kabila tigas leeg nag cat walk biglang natapilok buti nga
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Post by rowtide on Sept 7, 2006 16:01:55 GMT 10
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Post by rafael on Sept 8, 2006 2:18:42 GMT 10
Yes we do need a breaker
but going back to the main topic
A hypocrite is someone who: (1) advocates a standard, (2) publicly applies that standard to himself, (3) fails to meet that standard, and (4) hides or denies his failure.
thus failing to meet one's own standards is not hypocrisy. Double standards are not hypocrisy
Hypocrisy is not nice. But it is not genocide, murder, or rape. Nor even turnstile jumping. On a scale of evils, it's a petty offense. Most everyone commits hypocrisy at one time or another, just as most everyone speeds on a highway. Speeding endangers more lives, yet hypocrisy upsets more people. Go figure.
If more people understood hypocrisy's Four Elements, they'd spot the many false charges. Then pundits and activists would stop hurling baseless accusations. We'd dampen 90% of the noise on radio and TV shoutfests. And then perhaps we can have more substantive discussions in the news media.
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Post by rafael on Sept 8, 2006 2:20:54 GMT 10
Most everyone commits hypocrisy at one time or another, just as most everyone speeds on a highway.
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Post by ruth on Sept 15, 2006 20:07:24 GMT 10
But the question is, what is the process of temptation that leads us to lose our saltiness, that inclines us to take our light and put something over it? What ruins the effectiveness that we ought to have? For most people it begins with good motives. For example, I want to be able to influence my unbelieving neighbors and friends, the schools my kids go to, the sports teams they play on, the associations I belong to, and so on. So my thinking goes, what I can do to get closest to the most people, build the firmest bridges, and so on, is to discover the best in the people around me, the noblest thing to which they aspire, and fan that flame: "That's a really good side of you! I appreciate that; you ought to build on that." And of course they will like my discovering nobility in them, my encouraging them to do their best, our sharing of goals, and the reassurance that there is not that much difference between us. But if all I'm doing is cheering them on, then there is nothing unique about me anymore. It is as if a doctor were too nice a person to ever tell the patient of a terrible disease that required radical intervention in order for them to be saved, and so the patient died.
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Post by ruth on Sept 15, 2006 20:08:09 GMT 10
What the world---our neighbors, friends, associates, school districts, clubs and every other place we are in---needs is for us to say, "I am completely undone apart from my Savior. I don't have anything to offer and neither do you. We are desperate apart from the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We can't fan the flames of our nobility because we aren't going to make it, even by doing our best. God's answer is in Christ; the gospel is our only hope." Sometimes we need to say, as in the old story, that the emperor has no clothes on. We need to make the hard announcement in order to have some hope of seeing faith in Christ begin. Our friends, family members, and any other lives that God privileges us to touch in the world we live in, need us to be different enough for Christ's sake that there is an edge to who we are. The salt needs to be really salty; the light needs to shine in the darkness. Otherwise everyone loses.
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Post by ruth on Sept 15, 2006 20:08:29 GMT 10
"I am completely undone apart from my Savior. I don't have anything to offer and neither do you. We are desperate apart from the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We can't fan the flames of our nobility because we aren't going to make it, even by doing our best. God's answer is in Christ; the gospel is our only hope."
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Post by Always on Sept 23, 2006 22:31:29 GMT 10
Hi rafael
When one fails to meet a standard then he is hypocrite. a pastor who cheats on his wife is one good example of failing to meet a standard.Hi linsi You forgot the number 4 element Failing to meet one's own standards is not hypocrisy. If an obese woman advocates dieting, but laments the difficulty of sticking to one, is she a hypocrite? Of course not. She has failed to meet her standards, to follow her own advice. But she is not a hypocrite because Element # 4 is missing. She never claimed to stick to her diet.
Hipocrisy is already in there Can't you see it It is predicated by her way of lamenting It is self defeating for the simple reason that you can not advocate something that you will complaint about it sooner or later. You are just denying your first option--your will to advocate
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Post by rafael on Sept 25, 2006 2:18:33 GMT 10
But there are four standards to meet hypocricy .
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Post by Always on Sept 25, 2006 12:59:49 GMT 10
But there are four standards to meet hypocricy .
You still can't see it
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Post by migy on Oct 8, 2006 0:31:41 GMT 10
hirap ng topic na to, minsan pede nating masabi na lahat tayo damay dito... teka wag muna mangbabato ha, paliwanagan lang muna,.. musta po sa lahat...
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