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Post by Always on Jul 14, 2008 8:41:15 GMT 10
YES! The Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) through the teachings from its founder JoMA Sison and other high ranking officials have literally brainwashed its passive armed wing, the NPA (New People's Army) and its armed entourage since 1969 using the theories of Karl Marx, Engels, StalIn and Mao Zedong.
FIRE
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Post by rafael on Jul 17, 2008 4:38:11 GMT 10
It's good that brainwashing was stated.Religion at the same time is brainwashing. As with many things in the world of religion, a person's beliefs will influence whether he or she describes an activity as occult.
For instance, a conservative Christian may regard activities such as astrology, tarot card reading or meditation to be dangerous occult activities, while someone with a different religious outlook might see these same activities as being harmless.
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Post by Always on Jul 17, 2008 13:54:39 GMT 10
"Religion at the same time is brainwashing. As with many things in the world of religion, a person's beliefs will influence whether he or she describes an activity as occult." Therefore, you are admitting that atheists and secular humanists alike have been brainwashed too into their false beliefs and practice. Why? Because atheism is also a religion ;D
Fyi, there are sign of this in René Descartes' own words, in which he reduced "traditional theistic teachings to the realm of religious sentiments and emotion", whereas religious meant both theistic and atheistic boundaries in modern times
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Post by Always on Jul 17, 2008 14:41:51 GMT 10
"For instance, a conservative Christian may regard activities such as astrology, tarot card reading or meditation to be dangerous occult activities, while someone with a different religious outlook might see these same activities as being harmless." Here you go again, you are trying to lie once more to the reading P7ers. Why? Because you are not again referencing your lies from the Bible ;D
Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success.
Psalm 4:4 Tremble, and do not sin; Meditate in your heart upon your bed, and be still.
Aren't those people that practice Yoga stiff and still when meditating?
ASTROLOGY? Since you are not asking for help in understanding the Bible, its language has a way of leading skeptics into thinking that it was only recording human historical events and literature; but, in reality it was also referring to the patterns of the stars.
Fabled astrologers call the 25,920 year cycle a Great Year and divide it into twelve Ages according to the constellations. When the sun enters the spring equinox, the constellation in the background determines the zodiacal Age. This is when the sun entering the Age of Pisces at 6 BCE. 2160 years before, the sun was in the Age of Aries. 2160 years after Pisces, about 2012 CE, Aquarius will be in the background and it will be the Age of Aquarius. Because of the direction of precession, the Great Year cycle progresses in the reverse direction of the solar cycle. And this is aso culminated in the Bible as to summarize, the Age of Aries was marked in the Old Testament by the Passover lamb.
Exodus 12:21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
And when the Age of Pisces began when the sun entered Pisces at the spring equinox .
Matthew 4:18-19 As he walked by the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon who is called Peter and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. And he said to them, "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."
So when Jesus told his disciples he will be with them until the age, he meant the Age of Pisces. His time is almost over.
Matthew 28:20 NIV Teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the end of the age."
There's a lot more, but I want you to meditate on this for a while ... close your eyes ... just close your eyes ... there you go. Think of the Garden of Eden. Only you in it enveloped by light.
Now, can you now see that when you tour the garden, you'll take notice that all the signs of zodiac (as in the tarot cards) are in the garden
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Post by rafael on Jul 18, 2008 1:50:06 GMT 10
"Religion at the same time is brainwashing. As with many things in the world of religion, a person's beliefs will influence whether he or she describes an activity as occult." Therefore, you are admitting that atheists and secular humanists alike have been brainwashed too into their false beliefs and practice. Why? Because atheism is also a religion ;D
And so is yours, basing from your answer here.
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Post by rafael on Jul 18, 2008 1:54:55 GMT 10
Here you go again, you are trying to lie once more to the reading P7ers. Why? Because you are not again referencing your lies from the Bible ;D
Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success.
Aren't those people that practice Yoga stiff and still when meditating?
So meditation written from the christian bible is the same as meditation from yoga. Why should religions have dividing lines by then?
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Post by rafael on Jul 18, 2008 1:58:39 GMT 10
Here you go again, you are trying to lie once more to the reading P7ers. Why? Because you are not again referencing your lies from the Bible ;D
ASTROLOGY? Since you are not asking for help in understanding the Bible, its language has a way of leading skeptics into thinking that it was only recording human historical events and literature; but, in reality it was also referring to the patterns of the stars.
Fabled astrologers call the 25,920 year cycle a Great Year and divide it into twelve Ages according to the constellations. When the sun enters the spring equinox, the constellation in the background determines the zodiacal Age. This is when the sun entering the Age of Pisces at 6 BCE. 2160 years before, the sun was in the Age of Aries. 2160 years after Pisces, about 2012 CE, Aquarius will be in the background and it will be the Age of Aquarius. Because of the direction of precession, the Great Year cycle progresses in the reverse direction of the solar cycle. And this is aso culminated in the Bible as to summarize, the Age of Aries was marked in the Old Testament by the Passover lamb.
Exodus 12:21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
And when the Age of Pisces began when the sun entered Pisces at the spring equinox .
Matthew 4:18-19 As he walked by the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon who is called Peter and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. And he said to them, "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."
So when Jesus told his disciples he will be with them until the age, he meant the Age of Pisces. His time is almost over.
Matthew 28:20 NIV Teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the end of the age."
There's a lot more, but I want you to meditate on this for a while ... close your eyes ... just close your eyes ... there you go. Think of the Garden of Eden. Only you in it enveloped by light.
Now, can you now see that when you tour the garden, you'll take notice that all the signs of zodiac (as in the tarot cards) are in the garden
I am not into bible verses or any verse from any religion, but your (Deuteronomy 4:19) book says:
And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you—these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you (Isaiah 47:13-15).
so there you go, a contradiction within the bible itself?
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Post by Always on Jul 18, 2008 6:35:20 GMT 10
By leaving them out (RE: Deuteronomy & Isaiah) I knew that you were going to use these verses They were supposed to be in my continuation together with the one from Leviticus
Lev. 19:26 You shall not practice divination or soothsaying. (JPS)
Do you think there is a contradiction in the Bible with those verses? Let me add another one
Deut. 18:9-12 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of THOSE NATIONS. There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
This is the problem when you pick verses without studying them with depth. Let me enlighten you on the the verses you posted:
Deut. 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
In this verse, God is not only telling his children to turn away from paganism but foretelling them what is and will happen if they worship the heavenly bodies. (ie. Babylonian, Sumerian, Norse, Roman & Greek Mythologies.)
And the justification of this is when you read through Deuteronomy 18: 9-12 and the verses themselves refer to "THOSE NATIONS" and their citizenries(pagans) not to be imitated or followed by the children of God.
Now on the verse in Isaiah, here God is telling his children that even the stargazers of those nations (pagans) make guesses and predictions, when the real time comes, these people will be like plants from the power of the flame.
Now, is there a contradiction? The verses only justified God's love for His own children by forewarning the dangers of imitating pagan beliefs and practice.
Do you know God authorized one person to speak of Astrology - who was he? ;D
Neway,
I thank you for admitting that you are not into verses in the Bible or from any religion for that matter (but then you use doctrines from your own faith/religion). Do you know why I am thanking you? Because you just proved many things today [1] that you are just like a child asking questions without thinking and researching them thoroughly; [2] that your tactic is of guerrila styling just like the NPA who keeps on firing without basis [3] by trying to post argument that when countered upon you ignore them. [4] etc.
Lastly, Bible meditation has no limitation as long as it is within, whilst though the same functions, yoga has processes basing from its discipline. And this is liken to employee requirements of PLDT's difference to that of Government Agencies when hiring employees
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Post by rafael on Jul 23, 2008 3:15:28 GMT 10
"Religion at the same time is brainwashing. As with many things in the world of religion, a person's beliefs will influence whether he or she describes an activity as occult." Therefore, you are admitting that atheists and secular humanists alike have been brainwashed too into their false beliefs and practice. Why? Because atheism is also a religion ;D
If atheism is also a religion, thereore you must know that the most common and fundamental characteristic of religion is a belief in supernatural beings — usually, but not always, including gods. Few religions lack this characteristic and most religions are founded upon it. Atheism is the absence of belief in gods and thus excludes belief in gods, but it does not exclude belief in other supernatural beings. More important, however, is that atheism does not teach the existence of such beings and most atheists in the West do not believe in them.
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Post by rafael on Jul 23, 2008 3:18:17 GMT 10
The truth is that atheism lacks every one of these characteristics of religion. At most, atheism doesn’t explicitly exclude most of them, but the same can be said for almost anything. Thus, it’s not possible to call atheism a religion. It can be part of a religion, but it can’t be a religion by itself. They are completely different categories: atheism is the absence of one particular belief while religion is a complex web of traditions and beliefs. They aren’t even remotely comparable.
This isn’t just a problem for atheists; given the importance of religion in society, misrepresenting atheism as a religion can undermine people’s ability to understand religion itself. How can we sensibly discuss matters like the separation of church and state, the secularization of society, or the history of religious violence if we don’t adequately define what religion is?
Productive discussion requires clear thinking about concepts and premises, but clear and coherent thinking are undermined by misrepresentations like this.
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Post by Always on Jul 23, 2008 18:35:53 GMT 10
In consonance with the "Russo & Hale's motion, "ignorance is not a good defense." Did you not know that in 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court, Torasco v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488, defined secular humanism (ie. atheism, agnosticim et al.) as a religion?
NOW YOU KNOW ;D
Atheism is defined as such for the simple reason that it is a carefully structured belief system in essence with the decision of the United States Supreme Court that a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a Supreme Being.
Rafael, please tell us the very core of the belief system of secular humanism?
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Post by rafael on Jul 26, 2008 18:46:28 GMT 10
Did you not know that in 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court, Torasco v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488, defined secular humanism (ie. atheism, agnosticim et al.) as a religion?
NOW YOU KNOW ;D
Atheism is defined as such for the simple reason that it is a carefully structured belief system in essence with the decision of the United States Supreme Court that a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a Supreme Being.
: And so what matters is the decision of the United States Supreme Court about a definition to rule out others in declaring that, religion is the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance, or a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
Here you can see again a relative truth.
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Post by Always on Jul 27, 2008 17:38:00 GMT 10
Is it? ;D
Anyway, have you heard of the legal term "precedent"? It is a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous case. In other words, it is an act, decision, or case that serves as guide or justification for subsequent situations. And if it goes to the International Trial Court, the 1961 case can be cited as a precedent.
How about checking this out: Click>>> www.hcof.org/
;D
Wow - it's a church of unbelievers !
They even have:
* Fellowhip * Church Services * Sunday Schools * et al.
A true religion of atheism ;D
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Post by leanne. on Aug 2, 2008 0:02:35 GMT 10
Palagay ko lang? Religion is a belief, at ang atheism ay belief of unbelievers not to believe
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Post by rafael on Aug 2, 2008 5:21:13 GMT 10
Relativity in definition. An example of a relative truth.
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Post by Always on Aug 2, 2008 11:01:11 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Aug 11, 2008 1:36:08 GMT 10
Delta: "Halimbawa parehong gay ang mag-asawang babae, pwede kayang yayaing pakasal ng isang lalaki yung isang babaeng gay na nag pakasal? Kung mangyari yun pwede bang demandang "bigamy?" " Mine: Oo naman
Kasi sa Pilipinas ay illegal pa ang same-sex marriage pero mabibigla ka to know that in 1998, same-sex marriage has been approved by the CPP and added such provision into its guiding policy (proletarian doctrine) on relationships. Kaya iba sa mga matatalino (daw) ng mga universidad sa Pilipinas na naging aktibista na sumanib sa NPA ay mga gays, lesbians, transgenders, o mga bisexualls.
And in 2005, the New People's Army conducted the very first same-sex marriage in the Philipines. However, it was not recognized by the Philippine Government.
Pero alam mo ba? Na ibang sekta ng mga kristyano na ang congregation ay almost 100% homosexuals na hindi sumasangayon sa turo ng Bibliya ay gumawa ng ibang paniniwala at doktrina (Queer Theology). Sa dahilang gusto nilang makasal sa mga kapwa nila homosexuals ay nagtayo sila ng sarili nilang simbahan called Metropolitan Community Church Philippines.
And since 1991, abovementioned church has been conducting same-sex 'holy union' in the Philippines. Ito din ang pinakadahilan at misyon ng kanilang pinaka-founder na si Troy Perry sa Estados Unidos ng Americka noong 1968.
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Soon to read: I will be inviting representatives from MCCP a challenge to show proofs of their doctrines and not just a ploy in attracting vulnerable Filipinos
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Post by migy on Aug 12, 2008 6:54:17 GMT 10
basa mode muna, di makasabay... super talaga gift ng mga to...
pero guys, as if you didn't know even po mga kasamahan ko sa trabaho takot sumabay at nakikibasa na lang ha ha ha... invite ko nga sila eh, pero ayaw mag register, mas gusto na lang magbasa at marami silang napupulot, wag lang daw sumabay at baka maubusan... lols!
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Post by delta on Aug 12, 2008 10:32:20 GMT 10
Mine: Soon to read: I will be inviting representatives from MCCP a challenge to show proofs of their doctrines and not just a ploy in attracting vulnerable Filipinos
Ganoon ba? Ang mahalaga hindi sila recognized ng pamahalaan ng Pilipinas. MCCP? Pag pumunta sila ng P7 2 lang ang reaksyon nila, ma challenge o umiwas.
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Post by violet on Aug 12, 2008 16:20:37 GMT 10
basa mode muna, di makasabay... super talaga gift ng mga to...
pero guys, as if you didn't know even po mga kasamahan ko sa trabaho takot sumabay at nakikibasa na lang ha ha ha... invite ko nga sila eh, pero ayaw mag register, mas gusto na lang magbasa at marami silang napupulot, wag lang daw sumabay at baka maubusan... lols!
Uy nice yan basa mode- pero baka naman pedeng post sila at magtanong para feel natin
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Post by violet on Aug 12, 2008 17:13:52 GMT 10
Delta: "Halimbawa parehong gay ang mag-asawang babae, pwede kayang yayaing pakasal ng isang lalaki yung isang babaeng gay na nag pakasal? Kung mangyari yun pwede bang demandang "bigamy?"
i am not a lawyer pero palagay ko oo! Elton John once stated ( i will look for the link and post it pag nakita ko) marriage is not for same sex but only for hetero sexuals.
same sex have civil unions not marriage at malaki ang pagkakaiba neto-
so from here a man can marry somebody who underwent same sex civil union- technically.
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Post by Always on Aug 13, 2008 19:49:46 GMT 10
Mine: Soon to read: I will be inviting representatives from MCCP a challenge to show proofs of their doctrines and not just a ploy in attracting vulnerable Filipinos
Ganoon ba? Ang mahalaga hindi sila recognized ng pamahalaan ng Pilipinas. MCCP? Pag pumunta sila ng P7 2 lang ang reaksyon nila, ma challenge o umiwas.
Well, it's worth a try inviting them pero I noticed in their homepage eh di nila pinopost ang kanilang sagot sa site nila ang mga sagot nila sa mga nagtatanong. They even cited the Philippine Constitution on a wrong premise
We'll soon see though
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Post by migy on Aug 13, 2008 21:50:14 GMT 10
pwede bro.! pwede! dami nga natatakot sumabay pero, theres no harm naman sharing your beliefs and stand, since we are all the same being... thing is iba't ibang gift lang talaga binigay sating lahat... all is unique and special sa Diyos... ako lang eh, "Special Child ako weh...." Mine: Soon to read: I will be inviting representatives from MCCP a challenge to show proofs of their doctrines and not just a ploy in attracting vulnerable Filipinos
Ganoon ba? Ang mahalaga hindi sila recognized ng pamahalaan ng Pilipinas. MCCP? Pag pumunta sila ng P7 2 lang ang reaksyon nila, ma challenge o umiwas.
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