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Post by linsi on Apr 16, 2006 16:25:03 GMT 10
as a protagonist, it is good ,
as an antagonist i would say the government is supposed to be a christian government running the functions of these virtuous NGO Gawad Kalinga.
but i want to be a pessimist so for the last 15 years spent on dreaming and striving i will still hope ..
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Post by bangzhik101 on Apr 17, 2006 13:42:48 GMT 10
Hi Linsi, I believe we should clarify your criteria in measuring success and religion. There is a distinction between economic growth and economic development. Economic growth only measures the material growth and welfare of a citizen/individual in a country. One should note that there maybe economic growth but not necessaril moral, spiritual, and social growth of its citizens. For example, there are a lot of Singaporean teens who are struggling with pre-marital sex. In fact, there is arate of 4.5 abortions each day because teenagers as young as 16 ( ) can request for such a procedure. Thailand has one of the most promiscious societies whose alternative image is that of liberal sex and drugs (being near the drug triangle). Malaysia has achieved grwoth but also at the expense of civil liberties. One can say a lot of things about the Philippines, but you can look at Filipinos who still have strong family ties and positive outlook in life. We smile more and we do not jump over buildings when economic crisis hits (unlike what happened with our neighbors). We may have a lot of problems, but deep inside I feel the maturity and growth in terms of spirituality and moral fiber is way beyond our neighbors. Beside, I would rather meet a man who may be poor but knows what it means to love... rather than a man who is wealthy but have not have the chance to love
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Post by linsi on Apr 17, 2006 15:40:05 GMT 10
Hi Linsi, I believe we should clarify your criteria in measuring success and religion. There is a distinction between economic growth and economic development. Economic growh only measures the material growth and welfare of a citizen/individual in a country. One should note that there maybe economic growth but not necessaril moral, spiritual, and social growth of its citizens.
that was the first impressions given to me by my folks, hindi baleng mahirap basta morally upright.
the church always pin points at being poor as a virtue, but i believe in more than this, when God promised a future, he meant heads not tails in all aspect.
why ? can't we settle for both? when God intended all of us to benefit from the richness of nature and be morally upright.
Adam and Eve had it all, Abraham, Solomon, David and the list goes on and on..
the jews have it all they are rich ang they have their morals.
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Post by linsi on Apr 17, 2006 16:13:08 GMT 10
nice discussions kuya banshik
you see, money can buy ALMOST ok not everything but.. ALMOST EVERYTHING..
pag may pera, halos 50% or more, e nabawasan na ang problema ng pang araw araw na buhay..
when a country is economically progressive, the citizens are satisfied because it not only answers the basic needs like food, shelter, clothes and medicines, it also adds growth to the pyramidal structure of maslow's theory..
the funds boost up developments in education, infrastructures, livelihoods, medical and elderly institutions, peace and order, etc..but when a country has been slammed down and reaches bottom with the dogs, even christians and good people are pressed to the limits. that is the reason why God has advocated giving, taxing and good governace..
can a poor country speak of these things? I doubt
when a country is poor, diseases are high,chaos, dissatisfactions and crime rates are high and because it is poor it slowly sinks down to more helplessness.
Christianity never designed a country to be like this
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Post by bangzhik101 on Apr 17, 2006 20:15:10 GMT 10
Hi Linsi,
1. Christian faith tells us that we would be judged on what we did on our life and not on what we have...
2. What the Church points out is the virtue of Poverty. This is different from destitution. Poverty is a practice of being detached from earthly possessions meaning even wealthy people can practice it. for example, a rich man buying a japanese car instead of an expensive german car....
3. We could settle for both. But what I have pointed out was that limiting the meaure purely on the material aspect (economic growth) may lead to the wrong conclusions on your correlaation between economic standing and religion.
4. "when a country is economically progressive, the citizens are satisfied because it not only answers the basic needs like food, shelter, clothes and medicines, it also adds growth to the pyramidal structure of maslow's theory.."
The statement is considered borderline. Faith is a gift of God. there is no material condition that man would be deprived to practice it. To define faith would be based on the material means maybe interpreted that material things are more important to man in order to practice faith.
Christianity designed that there is a special place for all of us, where there is no hunger, hate, sin, etc... This place is not of this world...
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Post by midnight on Apr 17, 2006 21:50:16 GMT 10
No matter where one is... for as long as there is still love for the motherland and this love is translated into action... rest assured that Christianity will not fail. Even foreigners are giving a helping hand in Gawad Kalinga. Come and do it together. 1 Cor 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. [blue] God is good... All the time![/blue]
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Post by midnight on Apr 17, 2006 22:24:51 GMT 10
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Post by migy on Apr 23, 2006 20:18:59 GMT 10
And the reward is from our Living God... that's really nice share midnight...
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Post by ruth on May 19, 2006 18:54:24 GMT 10
sa tingin ko po dito nararapat pagusapan ang topic na grace...
hindi ba ang sabi natin grace is dispensed by God for both sinners and saint..
i dont believe that the poverty in the Phils is a curse or punishment ... in the same way that other Asian nations (SG, HK, TW) is being blessed with a good economy...
it is just part of God's plan...both rich and poor nations have different problems...
SG has a deep social problem...mayaman nga ang bansa nila but their social problem is very deep...their citizens suffer with inferiority complex, abortion is legal, senior citizens at the age of 60 are still working at fast food centres...
ang punto ko lang po..hindi porke tayo ay mahirap tayo ay pinaparusahan ng DYos..
hindi porke marami tayo Sins...tayo ay mahirap...
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Post by ruth on May 19, 2006 18:56:49 GMT 10
tayo po ay pinapahirapan para malaman natin na there is a better place...
isa pa...hindi naman particular ang Dyos sa citizenry natin di ba? He treats all of us as an individual...
nung mangaral si Hesus sa Nazareth...hindi Sya pinansin...kelangan Nya pang mag-abroad para lang mapansin...
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Post by ruth on May 19, 2006 19:07:14 GMT 10
the more developed the economy of a nation mas lalo tumataas ang death due to suicide and depression,...even obesity..na consequence ng gluttony hehehe!
di ko rin naman masasabi na being poor, Phils is morally upright dahil sa bumababa na rin ang moralidad ng karamihan sa atin...lalo na yung mga nag-aabroad...at ang naiiwan na pamilya...
I guess both underdeveloped and developed Christians nations are being attacked...in different ways...
citizens of underdeveloped countries flock to develop countries to for greener pastures...
parehong nagkakaron ng Spiritual at moral issues...
for example..ang mga pinay nag-DH sa Singapore...nalungkot...nangaliwa..at ang pamilyang naiwan...ganun din...dahil sa nadagdagan ang kakayahang bumili ng kung ano ano... TV sets, DVD players...magsubscribe pa sa Cable TV...hayun naexpose sa masamang influence ang mga bata..pati ang ama...tapos ang ina wala sa bahay para alalayan ang kanyang pamilya...
para naman sa mga Singaporeans...since may katulong na sa bahay..iniwan na lang ang anak sa katulong...puro career na lang iniisip ni babae...si mister...natukso sa mapagalagang katulong...ang anak nagkaron ng inferiority complex...dahil di daw sya mahal ng ina...
ang masama nito dahil sa ang Singapore ang mayamang bansa di natin makita ang deception ni Satanas...too subtle para mapansin natin kasi nga merong pang-tapal ang mayayamang bansa sa deep social problems nila...which is pera..
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Post by rowtide on Aug 6, 2006 16:27:35 GMT 10
The Philippines has many failures.
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Post by rowtide on Sept 7, 2006 15:57:42 GMT 10
whistle
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Post by migy on Oct 30, 2006 17:25:23 GMT 10
talaga naman, unang una Corruptions... halos sa lahat ng sangay ng Godbyerno meron niyan... Yan yung anay na unti unting sumisira sa bayan natin... The Philippines has many failures.
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Post by Always on Aug 9, 2008 0:48:04 GMT 10
The answer to the main topic is a big NO! Because the failure of the Philippines is it sociological deterioration in general. We must not only take religion as the culprit but could be as one of the many within the main frame of social institution. Only a thorough scientific research can prove that (indeed) Christianity is the main factor in the failings of the Philippines.
Collective Behaviour has a specialized meaning in sociology. It refers to conduct which does not reflect existing social structure such as laws, conventions, and institution but emerges in spontaneous way or arising from impulse. We, Filipinos are proned to do things as a native tendency without external constraint. Kunbaga eh nakasanayan na natin lalo na sa may mga nakapwesto at sapat na pwersa sa lipunan.
Money when used in an abusive way it begets power, too much power begets corruption, too much corruption begets deterioration.
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Post by peng on Aug 9, 2008 15:42:01 GMT 10
Pero maraming impluwensya ang religion sa mga Pinoy. Sige try kong mag lista ng isa o dalawa muna.
1. Fiesta para sa patron. Daming gastos dyan. 2. Yung turo ng simbahan na mahal ng Diyos ang mahihirap. Kaya kahit naghihirap di bale na dahil mahal ng Diyos.
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Post by Always on Aug 13, 2008 20:25:21 GMT 10
Iyan ang isa sa mga ingredients ng collective behaviour ng mga Filipinos na nakuha natin sa iba ibang lahi na sumakop sa Pilipinas. Sa Kastila natin kuha ang dalawang examples na iyong sinabi pero talagang marami pa kung baket bumaba ang integridad ng ating kalipunan
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Post by migy on Aug 13, 2008 22:07:29 GMT 10
thing is, it's not too late pa naman, and i believe marami ng namumulat from old Tradition to reality that comes from reading the Word of God...
kakalungkot lang kase yun pinamana satin ng mga kastila, hanggang ngayon nine negosyo at parang daily law's na.... alam nyo ibig kong sabihin... yun yon!
continue po, basa ulit lang...
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