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Post by brnd on Oct 9, 2006 17:46:45 GMT 10
Hi Always, Sometimes People just wanted to prove on something that He just can't understand... ============== Hi brnd, To tell you, please try to Pray, ask God, ask Him to reveal unto you, and you can also dare and ask God to prove that there is God who conceives His Word... And that is the Word of God, the Bible... Try to Read the Bible and you'll see the Answers to your Questions... Have a Blessed Day Guys...
Migy
Is the bible true? How could you support its true-ness.
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 0:01:37 GMT 10
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 0:04:31 GMT 10
Again, that is an outright challenge to you Brnd.... LIVE on ONLINE !
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 0:42:02 GMT 10
Again, this is an outright challenge to you Brnd.... LIVE ONLINE ! Galingan mo, okay?
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Post by rafael on Oct 10, 2006 4:10:52 GMT 10
I myself have doubt on how perfect is the bible. Many christians are well versed but it does not end there. One must present the arguments in the light of learning and not intimidating .
My curiosity is high but i have much to learn from my own threads.
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 13:35:14 GMT 10
That is not intimidation intrisically, but a mere challenge for faster learning
I could challenge you online but I am having hard time keeping up with your own time slot sa mga oras na iyon eh nananaginip na ako nun
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Post by migy on Oct 11, 2006 3:49:22 GMT 10
Hey brnd, i don't have to prove to you about How the Bible True-ness, let your mind speaks when you read it... I just keep my Faith unto Jesus that the Manifestation of Salvation comes from Him thru the Living Word of God.... God Bless, migz (don't worry next time, let us share with each other) ================= A Blessed Day to you Always, Hi Linds, Hi mga People ng P7.... Hi Always, Sometimes People just wanted to prove on something that He just can't understand... ============== Hi brnd, To tell you, please try to Pray, ask God, ask Him to reveal unto you, and you can also dare and ask God to prove that there is God who conceives His Word... And that is the Word of God, the Bible... Try to Read the Bible and you'll see the Answers to your Questions... Have a Blessed Day Guys...
Migy
Is the bible true? How could you support its true-ness.
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Post by migy on Oct 11, 2006 3:52:28 GMT 10
Continue lang po.... This Topic is worth sharing for...
I just hope to have more time... Hopefully by 6 to 8 months to go ganda na time slot ko...
Have a Blessed Day sa lahat...
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Post by delta on Oct 12, 2006 12:54:16 GMT 10
Hindi ako masyadong eloquent o magaling sa pagsulat kaya kung mag copy and paste man siguro hindi ito bawal. Mukhang mahigpit dito pag copy and paste dahil sa pagbabasa ko ganun man ang mga tanong ko ay talagang galing sa nagtatanong na isip.
Talk to people as an atheist at makukuha no huh! Mamimili na lang ako sa mga sagot nila
You’re bad*p” “You’re going to hell” “I’ll pray for you” “You think you have all the answers, huh?”
Ito ang problema sa biblia na hanggang ngayon wala akong mabasa ditong naturuan ako.
" include the women-are-property-of-men parts, the animal-sacrifice parts, the kill-unbelievers parts, the kill-sabbath-breakers parts, the kill-homosexuals parts, the genocide parts, the dietary parts, and, of course, the parts that contradict other parts."
Maganda ang debate pero para sa akin mas maganda kung makakapulot ang magbabasa ng matututo siya.
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Post by brnd on Oct 13, 2006 12:18:40 GMT 10
Again, that is an outright challenge to you Brnd.... LIVE on ONLINE !
Do you only know about on line challenge? I donot buy that so much because i have my own strength and you have your own weakness.
i have to repost my first lines
Just wandering. How about errors in translations and how different languages present different meaning specially Hebrews?
There are more ancient philosophies than christianity and the bible must have gotten some of its contents from other ancient sources.
I must put my own version of "healthy skepticism" to ease my mind. To put it blantly, some of the practical questions are as follows.
Is the bible the word of God?
Then why
Its Eden, Adam and Eve were taken from the Babylonian accounts to think that it was a stolen account.
Moses is fashioned after the Syrian Mises; its laws after Hammurabi's code. Its Messiah is derived from the Egyptian Mahdi, Savior, certain verses are verbatim copies of Egyptian scriptures
Between Jesus and the Egyptian Horus, Gerald Massy found 137 similarities, and those between Christ and Krishna run into the hundreds. How then can the Bible be a revelation to the Jews? These are only some of the innumerable questions from Lloyd Graham which I found confusingly true. Let us get down to business of identifying the veracity of the bible.
you 've blown hammurabi and syrian misses and did not answer all regarding translation errors, eden and many more of my questions.
Hammurabi code was a collection of laws from the sun god of Babylonians.
You mentioned about the jews, and i was mentioning about the truthfulness of the bible.
There are many more and i doubt if you could answer it all.
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Post by brnd on Oct 13, 2006 12:22:04 GMT 10
even if you get away with the gospel of judas, you cannot answer why the catholic bible is different from the protestant's bible and that what makes the bible's veracity weak.
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Post by brnd on Oct 13, 2006 12:22:46 GMT 10
Hindi ako masyadong eloquent o magaling sa pagsulat kaya kung mag copy and paste man siguro hindi ito bawal. Mukhang mahigpit dito pag copy and paste dahil sa pagbabasa ko ganun man ang mga tanong ko ay talagang galing sa nagtatanong na isip. Talk to people as an atheist at makukuha no huh! Mamimili na lang ako sa mga sagot nila You’re bad*p” “You’re going to hell” “I’ll pray for you” “You think you have all the answers, huh?” Ito ang problema sa biblia na hanggang ngayon wala akong mabasa ditong naturuan ako. " include the women-are-property-of-men parts, the animal-sacrifice parts, the kill-unbelievers parts, the kill-sabbath-breakers parts, the kill-homosexuals parts, the genocide parts, the dietary parts, and, of course, the parts that contradict other parts." Maganda ang debate pero para sa akin mas maganda kung makakapulot ang magbabasa ng matututo siya.
agree!
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Post by Always on Oct 14, 2006 1:14:45 GMT 10
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Post by migy on Oct 15, 2006 22:41:49 GMT 10
and that's what i call... a Clean conversation... Hi Always and Musta ke "brnd" - gandang araw sa lahat... wala pong kampihan dito, kung ano pong paniniwala meron tayo, free po tayo i share at ipaliwanag ang puntos natin... ========================== brnd, God made men thru His creation, so is true the Bible cannot be denied by men, hope you could realize that men cannot fathom the works of the Living God... indeed His Word's was manifested by His Holy Spirit... By then, how can you prove your faith testifying that the Word of God is not really His Word... Indeed only God can answers your questions if your question are merely impossible... Can you explain how do your breath? Can explain how men began? Can you explain why there is an air that we could breathed...
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Post by brnd on Oct 18, 2006 10:28:40 GMT 10
even if you get away with the gospel of judas, you cannot answer why the catholic bible is different from the protestant's bible and that what makes the bible's veracity weak.
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Post by Always on Oct 18, 2006 21:25:01 GMT 10
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Post by brnd on Oct 23, 2006 20:16:37 GMT 10
Which bible is correct, that is if this book is really inerrant. By the way it is presented here,
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 3:38:03 GMT 10
Have you ever read the 2nd edition Merriam Webster Dictionary and the 5th edition of same title
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Post by brnd on Jan 8, 2007 17:30:18 GMT 10
even if you get away with the gospel of judas, you cannot answer why the catholic bible is different from the protestant's bible and that what makes the bible's veracity weak.
Actually, it's the other way around The difference between the Bible of Catholics and of Protestants is what makes the belief in a Creator stronger Let me guide you to another notch of the teacher-student scenario In every class, a teacher teaches his or her student subjects that are based from a curriculum; part of this curriculum is what we call make-ups in order for a student passes the class. Now if a student is not good enough to pass the class, the student is given a make-up either by test or project. Think of the first as protos and the latter as deuteros and either path a student may take can lead him in passing the class. Passing as analogous to salvation. In modern times, the apocrypha collection has been respected by the protestants in a way that it is seldom used by priests in a regular mass for it is regulated by existing church council. Both Bible teach on how to deserve salvation; and the Catholic Bible's Apocrypha serves as an extension to teaching (think of it as an option) on how to be near God. Extension in a way as make-ups for salvation. The veracity itself is earned through respect as given by protestantism, since the seven books are preferred to be called as supplements. with the same degree in canonization
Now you're talking about canonization, which the early cathoic priests did. Which bible now is true?
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Post by Always on Jan 8, 2007 21:29:08 GMT 10
NOPE! I am not talking about canonization per se So, which Bible is true If none, then please provide your justification
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Post by brnd on Mar 7, 2007 15:36:56 GMT 10
One of the countless aspects about the bible is the problem about translations, from the original manuscript and how it was written up to the present on how it was copied from one previous edition to the next. How would you justify that the bible is true and inerrant?
The question of which bible is true, shows that there are many translations and editions justifying any doubt.
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Post by Always on Mar 10, 2007 7:27:42 GMT 10
If you really know the canonical definition of what an Apocryphal Literature is by combining the historicities of the Talmud and the Mishnah with that of Melito, then, you shouldn't be dwelling on this simple way of stalling in your own hole. So, I asked you once again to produce those 137 similarities
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Post by Always on Mar 10, 2007 8:17:22 GMT 10
One of the countless aspects about the bible is the problem about translations, from the original manuscript and how it was written up to the present on how it was copied from one previous edition to the next. How would you justify that the bible is true and inerrant?
The question of which bible is true, shows that there are many translations and editions justifying any doubt. Let me start you with Luke 1:1-4
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed. [/i] Posting that firsthand is to aptly apply your view of the supposed problem of the Holy Bible about translation and inerrancy. First of all, inerrancy does not demand that the logia jesu (mga pananalita ni Hesus) contain the ipsissima verba (eksaktong salita) of Jesus, only the ipssisima vox (eksaktong boses). Such point is closely akin to the one just made about historical precision. When a NT writer cites the sayings of Jesus, IT IS NOT NECESSARY that Jesus used those exact words. Undoubtedly the exact words of Jesus are to be found in the NT, but they need not be exact in every instance. Many of Jesus' sayings were spoken in Aramaic and therefore had to be retranslated into Greek. Moreover, as mentioned above, the writers of the NT did not have available to them the LINGUISTIC CONVENTION that we apply today. Now, before I continue this discourse, please tell us what would be your translation to the word bethulah in Ibaloy dialect then re-translate it to the Tagalog word? [/b][/size][/color]
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Post by brnd on Mar 20, 2007 14:08:40 GMT 10
One of the countless aspects about the bible is the problem about translations, from the original manuscript and how it was written up to the present on how it was copied from one previous edition to the next. How would you justify that the bible is true and inerrant?
The question of which bible is true, shows that there are many translations and editions justifying any doubt. Let me start you with Luke 1:1-4
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed. [/i] Posting that firsthand is to aptly apply your view of the supposed problem of the Holy Bible about translation and inerrancy. First of all, inerrancy does not demand that the logia jesu (mga pananalita ni Hesus) contain the ipsissima verba (eksaktong salita) of Jesus, only the ipssisima vox (eksaktong boses). Such point is closely akin to the one just made about historical precision. When a NT writer cites the sayings of Jesus, IT IS NOT NECESSARY that Jesus used those exact words. Undoubtedly the exact words of Jesus are to be found in the NT, but they need not be exact in every instance. Many of Jesus' sayings were spoken in Aramaic and therefore had to be retranslated into Greek. Moreover, as mentioned above, the writers of the NT did not have available to them the LINGUISTIC CONVENTION that we apply today. Now, before I continue this discourse, please tell us what would be your translation to the word bethulah in Ibaloy dialect then re-translate it to the Tagalog word? [/b][/size][/color][/quote]
Translating to several languages makes the bible even more complicated. Many christians don't mind it they just take what their respective denomionations say making more complications.
Why don't you post one context or biblical verse from one language to another and present the universal message of conformity?
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