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Post by rafael on Jun 6, 2008 21:44:29 GMT 10
How about the rest who are not christians, are they born to damnation?
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Post by Always on Jun 7, 2008 1:19:05 GMT 10
If they haven't heard the Gospel of the Lord, Yes but if not then God will take them through conscience (or with knowledge).
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Post by rafael on Jun 8, 2008 5:49:56 GMT 10
If you mean conscience, then "brainwashing" can affect conscience and by that, judgment can be fair enough? And how about some fanatics claiming that it is only through christ alone that one can be saved no matter what?
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Post by Always on Jun 9, 2008 15:09:13 GMT 10
And so are the muslims who believe in Allah can achieve salvations. Even a Buddha can achieve a higher plane with his salvation for a higher being. And so are the Mayan who made weekly sacrificail in order to achieve salvation.
But there's only one thing in common amongst them ;D Do you know what it is?
Now, is salvations only for Christians basing from my posts or are they born to damnation as you say
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Post by rafael on Jun 12, 2008 0:05:35 GMT 10
And so are the muslims who believe in Allah can achieve salvations.
Then how can you explain a suicide bomber's notion of martyrdom and still achieve salvation after they bomb and blast many to death?
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Post by rafael on Jun 12, 2008 0:10:27 GMT 10
. Even a Buddha can achieve a higher plane with his salvation for a higher being. And so are the Mayan who made weekly sacrificail in order to achieve salvation.
If you say Buddha's salvation is reaching a higher plane for a higher being then that is dfferent from what Christians claim or you have a problem of the definitive meaning of 'salvation" perhaps?
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Post by rafael on Jun 12, 2008 0:11:23 GMT 10
Now, is salvations only for Christians basing from my posts or are they born to damnation as you say As i said, recall your posts.
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Post by Always on Jun 13, 2008 12:53:01 GMT 10
"If you say Buddha's salvation is reaching a higher plane for a higher being then that is dfferent from what Christians claim or you have a problem of the definitive meaning of 'salvation" perhaps?"
This only shows of your ignorance about Buddhism I only restructured the statement which was in the same sentiment to salvation of any Buddhists. I am not only talking about metaphysical matters but also in thervadaic notion wherein a buddha or an enlightened buddhist can be WITH God
If I were you, next time try to be comprehensive your ground in order not to expose yourself of being (either) unprepared or you really don't know anything about your agenda
Instead, recall your posts to see what I really mean
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Post by rafael on Jun 17, 2008 1:30:34 GMT 10
I donot agree with this. Buddhism basically is pursuing the path of enlightenment, aside from the cyclic birth , death and rebirth. It is entirely different from the salvation theory of the christians which you might dangerously blend again.
If people will take your arguments then everything will be acceptable and there is no need for debate.But that is not the case, i found each religion follows strict beaurocracies summing up to a fight on who's right.
You then believe in Ecumenism and i can sense where you're heading.
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Post by Always on Jun 18, 2008 16:50:26 GMT 10
"If people will take your arguments then everything will be acceptable and there is no need for debate."
First of all, I should be the one stating the above sentence simply for the reason that you try to ground your topic to Buddhism and yet, you do not know the different schools of thought in Buddhism. In case you are either desselecting again or perhaps unaware, fyi, the Mahayanaic notion has a causal relationship in Abrahamic Theiosis in terms of Buddha being omnipresent, omniscience, and liberative essence of reality. Tell me if those things do not stand for a Godhead Another thing is that in the Mahayanaic school of thought in Buddhism, it simplifies the expression of faith BY ALLOWING SALVATION to be altenatively obtained through grace of Buddha (which is clearly similar to Christanity) by having faith. Could it be selective memory that you don't seem to know these things?
If you read the account in the Kunjeb Gyalpo Tantra in one of its maxims, Buddha is seen on cosmological scale as EMANATOR (or source kaya origin) of all beings and all universes. Wait a minute, did Buddha create God because He has only one universe? Hmmmn, kaya siguro akala ng iba na mas superior siya Anyway, to tie this tantric notion, the Jonangpa school in Tibetan Buddhism, Buddha is viewed as absolute, eternal, omnipresent, Supreme Knowingness/Awareness, and beyond the human limitations of ordnary consiousness.
Achooo! Buddha bless you!
I believe this topic is now closed since salvation is not only for Christians. Also, P7 readers are now enlightened of the misconception that Buddhism is a religion without a God. Maybe so, but the fact is Buddhism is a religion with Buddha and other Buddhas with characteristics in nature of that of God
One last thing, can men be awakened and become Buddhas with cosmogonic terms. Tao na naging dios which is almost similar to the cult teachings of dios Eli and the mormons yun nga lang sila eh may dating Diyos na samanalang si Siddharta Guatama ang kauna-unahangnaging Buddha o nagising as a source of all living thingsTry reading Huston Smith's World Reigion or Jamshed Fozdar's The God of Buddha
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Post by rafael on Jun 23, 2008 6:51:28 GMT 10
"If people will take your arguments then everything will be acceptable and there is no need for debate."
First of all, I should be the one stating the above sentence simply for the reason that you try to ground your topic to Buddhism and yet, you do not know the different schools of thought in Buddhism. I never claimed anything, i stated in one of my replies that mine are simple questions clouding the thoughts of many. You seem to blend diversity to give the impressions that all kinds of philosophy could be in harmony. ;D [/b]
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Post by rafael on Jun 23, 2008 6:57:50 GMT 10
"If people will take your arguments then everything will be acceptable and there is no need for debate."
If you read the account in the Kunjeb Gyalpo Tantra in one of its maxims, Buddha is seen on cosmological scale as EMANATOR (or source kaya origin) of all beings and all universes. Wait a minute, did Buddha create God because He has only one universe? Hmmmn, kaya siguro akala ng iba na mas superior siya Anyway, to tie this tantric notion, the Jonangpa school in Tibetan Buddhism, Buddha is viewed as absolute, eternal, omnipresent, Supreme Knowingness/Awareness, and beyond the human limitations of ordnary consiousness.
Achooo! Buddha bless you!
An impication that buddha is a god.Could it be that you put yourself in a position of joining the christian wagon with your Ninja Girl and the rest in different retrospect? ;D
Perhaps buddha must bless you instead of me.
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 16:11:01 GMT 10
Am I giving you that impression? Hardly Try reading your question again: " Is Salvation ONLY for Christians?"
Now did I not show your that even Buddhism has a philosophy of salvation and to add to that even the Mayans, the Aztecs, the Ifugaos, the Hindus, the zionists etc etc. What I answered is only the reflection of your qeustion nothing else and yet so simple and you could hardly comprehend.
I am not harmonizing their philos but I am showing you that even other religions and civilization have their own learning exclusive about salvation period. Thus salvation is NOT ONLY for Christians. Don't be too antiquated in your self-paraphernalias kaya Getz mo?
Getz koh!
Getz nyo?
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 16:17:32 GMT 10
Buddha is not a god? Tell me, can you create a life out of thin air? Surely I can't! But Buddha can! Because according to Buddhism, Buddha created all the universes and all life forms. And if Buddha instructs and advises other gods and other dieties, what is then their roles in the universe. Please enlighten us on this ;D because why would gods and dieties follow a man O yeah, buddha is not just an ordinary man - he's the creator of the universe.
So what do you call that then - not a supreme god?-- one who is higher than any dieties or gods in Buddhism.
It seems Buddhists were blinded with this kind of religion because only in such form of religion that an ordinary man can become a god.
Omt, in case you do not know as to why THERE ARE SO MANY UNIVERSES in Buddhism is because there are so many Buddhas in Buddhism. Therefore, once a buddhist became a Buddha, he is entitled to create his own universe. WOW! Getz mo? ;D
Getz nyo?
Dikoh Getz
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 16:21:43 GMT 10
Oooopss, I stand corrected Dios Eli Soriano's and Joseph Smith's cults leaped a notch higher by proclaiming that they could become all gods
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Post by rafael on Jul 1, 2008 15:41:01 GMT 10
Oooopss, I stand corrected Dios Eli Soriano's and Joseph Smith's cults leaped a notch higher by proclaiming that they could become all gods Have you reconsidered Eli Soriano's interpreation of God's children?
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Post by Always on Jul 5, 2008 0:47:13 GMT 10
C'mon Rafael, can you be able to conciliate it for P7 readers with regard to Dios Eli? I doubt it. But then if you want, you simply open a new topic for us And with respect though, this case is close
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Post by rafael on Jul 10, 2008 22:46:46 GMT 10
I just saw what you meant by salvation from where did you come from and to where you're going to.
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Post by Always on Jul 12, 2008 0:32:11 GMT 10
And so salvation is not only for Christians as other religions do. Case closed
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Post by sweeteyez on Aug 15, 2008 23:50:51 GMT 10
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 10:13
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Post by migy on Aug 16, 2008 4:58:49 GMT 10
Just a thought!
- is the word of God hard to understand? * napakahirap bang intindihin ang salita ng Diyos...
- i think it will be hard for those who cannot accept Jesus as Lord and Savior...
" at siguro mahirap para sa mga taong puro dahilan. At ito ay madali sa mga taong tumitingin sa paraan ng Diyos ayon sa kanyang salita..."
All of Us are Sinners
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" ("ALL" includes you and me.)
Romans 6: 23For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Whosoever Deny Jesus Christ……..
Mathews 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven
Whosoever Believed…
John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
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Post by migy on Aug 16, 2008 5:13:00 GMT 10
THE WORD OF GOD… Conceived by the Holy Spirit.. About The Word Kinasihan…..
2 Timothy 3:14-17, "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be PERFECT, THROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL good works" (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:14-17 NIV).
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Post by migy on Aug 16, 2008 5:19:28 GMT 10
Therefore;
salvation is not only for Christians but to those who still lives and will accept that Jesus Christ died on the cross and after 3 days lives again and being His/Her Lord and Savior...
Being a Christian is not an easy journey but is only a safe arrival with our Lord...
Matthew 10:22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
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