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Post by migy on Jan 6, 2009 0:32:36 GMT 10
Believers receive an eternal inheritance in heaven.
1 Peter 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. (NIV)
Believers receive a crown in heaven.
2 Timothy 4:7-8 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. (NIV)
Eventually, God will put an end to death.
Revelation 21:1-4 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away ... I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God ... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (NIV)
Why are believers said to be "asleep" or "fallen asleep" after death?
Examples: John 11:11-14 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 1 Corinthians 15:20
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Post by migy on Jan 6, 2009 0:34:33 GMT 10
The Bible uses the term "asleep" or "sleeping" when referring to the physical body of the believer at death. It is important to note that the term is used solely for believers.[/u] The dead body appears to be asleep when it is separated at death from the spirit and soul of the believer. The spirit and soul, which are eternal, are united with Christ at the moment of the believer's death (2 Corinthians 5:8).
The body of the believer, which is mortal flesh, perishes, or "sleeps" until the day it is transformed and reunited to the believer at the final resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:43; Philippians 3:21; 1 Corinthians 15:51)
1 Corinthians 15:50-53 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. (NIV)
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Post by migy on Jan 6, 2009 0:42:35 GMT 10
suspense pa talaga no, therefore wala talagang sinabi kung ano itsura nang face natin when time comes we posses the immortal life with God.
wala ding sinabi na papalitan ang mga face natin....
so nai share ko lang yung promise at ilang mga mangyayari...
sige research pa sa kasuspe suspense na itsura natin after life...!
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Post by Always on Jan 11, 2009 16:06:03 GMT 10
Hindi mapapalitan ang mga mukha natin Parekoy. Baket? Kasi kapag nangyari yun ay hindi na din makikilala ang mga kamag-anak o mga kaibigan na maikikita natin sa langit. Di bah?
Ang mapapalitan lang ay ang ating reactionary feeling about evil things at magkakaroon tayo ng IBANG KLASE NG FREEWILL.
Explain ko yan later sa ibang thread o dun sa "Death is a Sleep" thread ni Brnd.
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Post by rafael on Jan 12, 2009 3:07:18 GMT 10
That is what it takes to define heaven with transferred informations. Heaven among christians is a place where people meet, but no one can prove this is true. Talk about faith, that is another thing which is invisible.
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Post by Always on Jan 12, 2009 13:30:06 GMT 10
"Talk about faith, that is another thing which is invisible."
And so is lust for it is also invisible but you can feel it by just having thoughts of strip joints either by going there or not. Can you disprove that there is no such thing as lust even though you don't see such a thing?
Faith is not only about believing; it is about practical expression of doing or having it. Why do people donate to charitabe organizations? Because charity is an expression of faith for it represents hope and spirit in philantrophy.
Rafael, reality is not the only perceivable place where light (postive) and darkness (negative) meet. What you may not be aware with your own senses is more than the play of your own doubts cast by these two universal forces. You may doubt in God or in Christ but your subconscious mind tells you otherwise. Why?
Just look at your post on Jan. 02, 2009 in the Christian Sociology in Biblical Perspective: pentium7.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=konsensya&action=display&thread=895&page=2
You greeted everyone(all) a Merry CHRISTmas & a Happy New Year!
Your subconscious has shown you the fact of truth; and has given you the unfettered glimpse of reality as it is actually is. Believe it or not as Parekoy Migy would usually say (no Ripley), you have now subconsciously looked beyond the shroud of fear and doubt that kept your normal senses dulled. And inadvertently witnessed firsthand the extent as a seeker whose time is now overdue to recognize the truth.
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Post by rafael on Jan 15, 2009 4:25:35 GMT 10
Lust is understandable, but a concept of heaven is something none among the living has been totally understood. According to your belief, man has to die first before he can see heaven therefore before you can see it, all the senses are gone and before you can think of it, not even one among the living has testified on how the journey was from heaven going back to earth. Let us not make things difficult.
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Post by supremo on Jan 15, 2009 12:41:27 GMT 10
Lust is understandable, but a concept of heaven is something none among the living has been totally understood. According to your belief, man has to die first before he can see heaven therefore before you can see it, all the senses are gone and before you can think of it, not even one among the living has testified on how the journey was from heaven going back to earth. Let us not make things difficult.
i think there's one who already died and came back to life and many testified and written his testimony but many still didn't believe him. So therefore, at present, if someone testified that he came back to life and written a journal, i think you are the first one to laugh at him. Quote from Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), Jewish court historian for Emperor Vespasian: "At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders."Yet, even Josephus didn't believe it. So, rafael, no matter how many will come back to life and testified for you at first hand, i guess di ka pa rin maniniwala....
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Post by leanne. on Jan 20, 2009 22:19:12 GMT 10
E di papaniwalain natin siya Simple lang din, may magagandang bagay at pangit na bagay at kahit kelan hindi ko yata nabasa kahit saan na ang naging example ng heaven ay pangit, di isipin natin na maganda dun. Dalawang klase lang naman lagi, maganda o pangit, tama o mali, postive o negative.
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Post by migy on Jan 21, 2009 0:38:46 GMT 10
i second the motion - tama nga naman - Let Their Freewill decide na lang, since we cannot please everybody - choose na lang sila kung tama o mali, kung mabuti o pangit at kung mapapaganda o mapapasama sila...
ganun naman talaga eh, since di naman tayo ginawang robot ng Diyos para maging sunud sunuran na lang...
ang sabi ko nga, wag lang mapahamak pag sa time na tinakda ng Diyos kahit maging sunud sunuran ako wag lang mag suffer sa eternal condemnation... hirap kaya nun! may mga uod na di namamatay - tindi!
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Post by peng on Jan 25, 2009 20:57:53 GMT 10
Minsan nakakapagtaka rin, ang mga salita. Heaven o langit . Maraming nakakapag takang bagay gaya ng iba ibang salita at words. Heaven ay maganda, Impyerno ay masama.
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Post by Always on Jan 30, 2009 9:10:56 GMT 10
Kelan ba naging maganda ang impiyerno at kelan naging panget ang heaven? Sabagay there's an old adage na ang buhay ay parang impiyerno. But if naniniwala ka naman sa purgatory ay pwede na din sabihin na ang buhay ay neutral.
Kaya if u have to chose one place to live saan gusto mo tumira:
- [ ] sa North Korea
- [ ] sa Somalia
- [ ] sa Estados Unidos ng Amerika
- [ ] sa Pilipinas
- [ ] sa Englatera
- [ ] o sa Haite
Kaya tulad sa pagbanggit ni Parekoy Migy ng salitang FreeWill ay tao pa din ang gumagawa ng kanyang sariling langet at impiyerno. Heto ang dapat natin tandaan na ang langet ay nandoon na pero ang impiyerno ay wala pa dahil mag-i-exist lang ang impiyerno on judgment day. Tingnan mo ngayon ang mga komyunista na pinaniwala nila ang kanilang kababayan na ang pamamaraan ng Kristiyanismo ay masama Pero ano ang nangyari sa kanila ngayon At ano naman ang nangyari sa idelohiya ni Joma Sison? Pinaghirap lang niya ang mga mamamayang naniwala sa kaniya at dahil na din sa kanilang prayd tsiken ay hindi na sila makababa kahit na meron na noon kondisyunal amnesty na ibinigay para sa kanila.
Nasa kabundukan sila nananatili pero baket ayaw nilang bumaba? Ayaw ba nilang lisanin ang impiyernong kinabubuhayan nila at magbagong buhay man lang kahit sa purgatoryo ng kamaynilaan? Alam nyoba kung baket? Dahil karamihan na sa kanila ay nakagawa ng akto ng kriminalidad na hindi sakop ng amnesty. Kaya no choice sila at stay sila sa kabundukan o impiyerno ng kabuhayan.
Ganyan din ang Grace ng Diyos dahil hindi naman lahat ng Kristyano ay makakapunta sa langit. Kahit sila GMArroyo at First Gentlegiant ay magbayad pa ng ilang bilyong pera mula sa kanilang nakurakot sa toll gate ni San Pedro ay hindi pa din sila makakalampas dito dahil sila ay gumawa na ng kanilang sariling langit sa lupa habang ang mga kababayan nila ay dumanas ng impiyerno ng buhay.
Maiba tayo, si Pokwang ay panget sa karamihan pero tiyak Bettyful naman siya kay Armando Iyan ang tinatawag na subjective na pang-unawa. Ganyan ang mga turo ng kapwa komyunista at kristyanismo kung pakikinggan lang natin sila ng walang patunay; pero kung gusto nating maging objective ay mag-research tayo at aralin natin ang kanilang mga nakaraan at kung ano na ang napatunayan natin ukol sa kanila because that way we will not be subjected to lies and deceptions.
VOW
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Post by rowtide on Feb 12, 2009 1:32:11 GMT 10
Heto ang dapat natin tandaan na ang langet ay nandoon na pero ang impiyerno ay wala pa dahil mag-i-exist lang ang impiyerno on judgment day.
What a very interesting topic. Gawa tayo ng topic tungkol sa hell dahil meron na tayo about heaven.
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Post by leanne. on Feb 14, 2009 17:28:20 GMT 10
Mabalik tayo dun sa sinabi ni migy na new heaven and new earth-part yun ng heaven?
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Post by migy on Feb 15, 2009 23:32:31 GMT 10
Hi Leanne,
Mahaba habang Studies ito... pero the Bible stated Chapters and Verses that we can read...
What does the Bible say about heaven? [/u]
This is not the 7th day Sabbath: Col 2:14 Heb 3:17,18 + Ps 95:811 (All Jews kept 7th day Sabbath in wilderness)
Heb 3:19 4:6 Unbelievers could keep the 7th day Sabbath: Ex 20:10 23:12
Heb 4:11 must strive to enter this rest/7th day rest: merely cease work Rev 14:13 C. NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH: 1. 2 Pe 3:57
The flood destroyed the earth only with water Present heaven and earth will be destroyed with fire: V10
God will create a new heaven and earth: V13 2.
The present physical universe is "uncreated" or eliminated:
Rev 20:11 Rev 21 :4b The old things hove passed away Heb i3:14 3. Rev 21:1.5 I make all things new We will watch God create the new heavens and earth! RESTORED GARDEN PARADISE:
Gen 2:810 Rev 2:7 Tree of life in the paradise of God Rev 22:2,3 Uncursed tree of life E. "HOLY OF HOLIES" or "MOST HOLY PLACE" of the Jewish tabernacle: Represented heaven: Heb 9:11,24 Jesus entered into the veil: Heb 6:19,20 Jesus our "forerunner", Military term, like spies ...
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Post by brnd on Feb 16, 2009 12:14:25 GMT 10
What is paradise then?
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Post by leanne. on Feb 26, 2009 5:58:28 GMT 10
Excuse me muna brnd ha, copy en paste ko lang sabi ni liberte kse kasali din yun dito. quote liberte-"When the Jehovah's Witnesses were only small in number they believed that they were the only ones who would inhabit Heaven. They misinterpreted the Scripture about the 144,000 in heaven, thinking that that is going to be the total population entering that holy City." Ayan.
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Post by Always on Mar 4, 2011 8:55:41 GMT 10
In addition to my posts from pages 1 & 2, na ang solar system natin ay naging parte na ng Milky Way Galaxy at ang dating Sagitarius Galaxy na kung nasaan ang dating address ng ating solar system ay umiikot na tayo papunta sa kalagitnaan ng MW Galaxy. Isang napakalaking blackhole na tinatayang 4 Milyon tayms na mas malaki sa ating araw(sun) ay nasa gitna nito na nilalamon ang MW Galaxy na kung nasaan tayo ngayon. Akala ng iba ang Sagitarius Galaxy na kung nassan ang ating Solar System ay nilamon ng Milky Way Galaxy pero ang totoo ay ang Milky way ay paunti na paunting nilalamon ng Blackhole na ito at hinahatak ang ang ating solar system paloob o pagitna nito and by the period December 2012 magkakaroon ng Galactic Alignment ng kung saan magkakaroon ng talagang pagbabago ng ating mundo at masisinagan ang Galactic Equator -- dahil dito na natin matutunghayan na kapag tumingala tayo sa langet ay ... ... news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7774287.stmwww.universetoday.com/30725/galactic-equator/
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Post by Always on Mar 4, 2011 8:58:39 GMT 10
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