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Post by admins on Jun 13, 2008 1:21:05 GMT 10
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Post by admins on Jun 15, 2008 21:20:35 GMT 10
Where is the new heaven, how about the old heaven? How many heavens?
From precious:
ok sa totoo lang litong lito meh dito
paibhasa hindi inaral--
migs, always and ruth asan ka na-
di ba--my new jerusalem?
alin bang heaven? kc Revelations 21:2
I saw the new jerusalem coming down from heaven
Ibig sabihin yung new jerusalem nanggaling sa heaven?
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Post by migy on Jun 16, 2008 15:52:46 GMT 10
let me study admins,
in the meantime, may we call, linsi, always, tess and others to join in...
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Post by P7er on Jun 18, 2008 20:16:22 GMT 10
I saw the new jerusalem coming down from heaven
Ibig sabihin yung new jerusalem nanggaling sa heaven?
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Post by rowtide on Jun 20, 2008 10:19:46 GMT 10
Ang mga tao ba sa heaven ay may flesh dahil may supper din dun? o lahat parang transparent ghost? Wait for migy's answers. Kung may gobyerno sa langit May office structures din.
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Post by violet on Jun 22, 2008 1:48:52 GMT 10
Yun daw bang mga nasa heaven na ay glorified body na? so kung glorified na- wala nang sakit. pero bakit daw meron pa dun na tree of life na nakakapag pagaling-
hala dami nang tanong at wala pang nasagot
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Post by migy on Jun 22, 2008 23:53:42 GMT 10
IMHO: Ang pagkaka intindi ko diyan, New Jerusalem, Chosen City kase yan eh, at yung sinasabi diyan after Christ redeemed us then we are able, able to have the reward of Eternal Life in Heaven, the promised Land...
then tingnan natin from The Word of God (King James Version)[/font][/color] And may this be for God's Glory not for me, and for others and not for our brethrens...
thinking pa lang, Sempre in Heaven there will be no Brownout, puro ilaw na nagliliwanag, yung Glory ng Panginoon is Light an explainable illumiation na indeed...!
Walang Gabi ayon sa Word of God; Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
The Place would be for God's Praises and Worship "I go to prepare a place for you. I will come again and receive you unto myself" John 14:3 )"He who overcomes, I will give him the Morning Star." I am Jesus.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and Morning Star." (Revelation 2:26-28; 22:16) ... Yun Paradise before which is the Garden of Eden ay dapat talaga para satin una para ating mga ninuno para manirahan.
But when man sinned against God, Man was cast out of the garden. The entire hope of mankind it to be permitted to live once again in the physical garden paradise.
God will restore the garden on a global basis and there
"the faithful" will live a physical existence forever upon the earth.
Advocates of this view deny that man has a soul. Their physical view of heaven is therefore a logical ...
imagine or look at a place you want to spend eternity!
A boy stood on a windy hillside, flying a kite.
He continued to release the string of the kite and it went higher and higher until it was completely out of sight.
One of his friends walked up and asked how he knew there was still a kite on the other end.
He replied. "I know it's there I feel it tugging on the line." Like the kite, we can't see heaven with our eyes, but we feel it tugging at our souls!
It is by Faith the Boy is practicing!
to continue:...... (calling on Always, Linsi, Tess, Leanne, IB, pika, rowtide, violet, startred and you out there, Join us...!)
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Post by migy on Jun 23, 2008 0:58:07 GMT 10
[glow=yellow,2,300]Heaven[/glow][/color] Now let us turn our attention to something more pleasant, Heaven.
Our Lord says in John 14:2-3, "In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there you may be also".
Heaven will be a very wonderful place. For the few who go there it will be beyond their wildest dreams and they will be totally surprised and amazed.
As we read in 1 Corinthians 2:9, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
There is no way that the glories of Heaven can be adequately described to us mortal beings. The only way will be to see it. Heaven will be the very opposite of eternal punishment. Revelation 21:4 says, "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away". There will be no weeping, and no wailing, and no gnashing of teeth as will be happening in eternal torment.
But there will forever and ever be nothing but joy, and peace, and happiness, beyond description. What a wonderful place Heaven will be. But again, the choice is ours. We cannot escape the consequences if we make the wrong choice. We will not accidentally end up in Heaven.
Heaven is a prepared place for prepared people.
Our Lord says in Matthew 6:33, "But seek first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness." Going to Heaven has got to be our number one goal in this life. We must want to go to Heaven more than anything else. i preferred to choose being with God in Heaven...[/i]
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Post by migy on Jun 23, 2008 1:04:44 GMT 10
Are we worthy for the great sacrifice, His sufferings in order for us to be save? I don't think so! Not one is worth it, and indeed not one is righteous, not even one in the eyes of God... "Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[glow=yellow,2,300]Christ Has Paid Our Penalty [/glow][/color]
We have all sinned, and the penalty had to be paid in order for God to be just. Christ has paid that penalty.
Romans 5:6-10 says, "For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life".
It is such wonderful love for God and Christ to have paid our penalty. Also, we read in I Peter 3:18, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God."
Yes, Christ is the just, who had to die for us the unjust, so that it would be possible for us to be brought back to God. He was the righteous dying for us the wicked. "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21).
He was the innocent taking the punishment for us the guilty. He accomplished for us what we could never accomplish for ourselves. He paid the debt for us that we could not pay. If man had not been guilty of sin, there would have been no need for Christ to have died on the cross. All accountable people are guilty of sin.
But with Christ dying on the cross, God has a way to forgive man and still preserve His own justice and righteousness.
Because of the death and suffering of Christ for us, God can now be just in saving us. If our goodness could save us then it would not have been necessary for Christ to come into this world and die for our sins.
The only way that man can be saved is through Christ. There is no other way. John 14:6 says, "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: No one comes to the Father except through Me." The only way we can get to God is through Christ.
We also read in Acts 4:12, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
We cannot be saved by relying on Mohammed, Buddha, Judaism, Hindu gods, denominationalism, or any other false religion. Neither can we devise our own system of "Christianity" as is being done today and expect it to save us.
Only Jesus Christ can specify the conditions for our salvation, because He paid our price and is our only Saviour.
Christ went through much suffering for our sins. It is beyond our imagination what He endured. Christ came to this earth for the purpose of dying for our sins. There are many Old Testament prophesies that foretell the inevitable death of Christ. For example 700 years before it happened we read in;
Isaiah 53:5-6, "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed....and the Lord laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
Christ’s death was no accident, because this was in God’s eternal plan to redeem man. Christ in his omniscience, fully knew what was soon going to happen. In Matthew 20:17-19 we read, "Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify.
And the third day He will rise again". Christ went there willingly to die for us.
Christ was both divine and human. The human part of Christ dreaded his death on the cross as much as we would if we were on death row. He fully knew what was going to happen. When Christ was in the garden of Gethsemane with His apostles the night before His crucifixion, we read in Luke 22:41-44, "And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and knelt down, and prayed, saying, Father, if it is your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.
Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him. And being in agony He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground". Yes, Christ was dreading the horrible death that He was about to endure for you and for me. Also, we read in I Peter 2:24, "Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed."
Jesus has personally paid the price for our sins, so that we can be made righteous before God. When a person is made righteous, by obeying God’s plan to save man, God will then save him. The human side of Christ knows how we feel. He had the same feelings, the same sorrows, the same fears, and He experienced pain just like we do. He fully knows what it is to live a human life.
On the Day of Judgment, no one will be able to point a finger at Christ and say, "You just don't know what it is to live as a human." Yes He does. The dread, the fear, the sorrow, the mocking, the humiliation, the spitting, the pain of scourging, and the crucifixion were all dreaded by our Lord. It hurt Him as much as it would us. Jesus did not deserve such treatment, but He endured it for our sakes, taking our punishment, in order that God could be just in saving us. He was the innocent dying for us, the guilty.
Crucifixion on a cross is the cruelest form of torture that has ever been devised by man. There is nothing worse. Our Lord hung there in pain and agony for how many hours in a slow death, enduring punishment, so that God could be just in saving us. What wonderful love beyond description that God and Christ have for us.
Do we have the same love for Them which is shown by our obedience to Their word?[/color]
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Post by migy on Jun 23, 2008 1:26:13 GMT 10
[glow=yellow,2,300] Heaven is beauty beyond imagination
[/glow][/color][/center] The best John could do to describe heaven was to say it was like an entire city of transparent gold. He says: The walls of the new city are precious jewels.
The gates are twelve single pearls.
The city itself and its streets are pure gold, yet like transparent glass.
This is found in[/color] Revelation 21:18, 19, 21.And the whole city is lighted by the glory of God.
Heaven is a place of matchless blessings.
Jesus has prepared a mansion for us there. Great treasure is stored up for us; in fact, the saints "will inherit all things" [/color] (Revelation 21:7). The leaves of the tree of life will guarantee our health. and the crystal pure water of the river of life will flow from the throne of God to the tree of eternal life.
For the first time since the Garden of Eden, God's children may eat out of this tree in His paradise [/color] (Genesis 3:22 and Revelation 2:7).In heaven we will be given new names, new imperishable bodies. and we will be clothed in the white robes of righteousness. We will be glorious living stones; pillars in the eternal temple of God [/color] (I Corinthians 15:52; 1 Peter 2:5; Revelation 3:12).Best of all, heaven with God and Jesus will be a place of love. God in tender love will wipe away all our tears[/color] (Revelation 21:4). The angels will rejoice as heaven fills with righteous Christians [/color] (II Peter 3:13). Those spirits who have hungered and have thirsted to humbly live with God; those with pure hearts; those who have willingly endured persecution; and those who have lived for God's peace, will live together in life and love forever and ever.[/color] Question is, do we hunger to be there? "for me i think majority of us ang sagot di ba, besides sino bang tao ang gustong ma imagine ang hirap ng mapunta sa impiyerno, yun nga lang mapaso ka ng kalan, sigarilyo, kandila, sigurado ako mag aaway o magagalit ito pag ibang tao nakagawa sa kanya ..."
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Post by violet on Jun 23, 2008 20:52:08 GMT 10
OK migs--
how about streets of gold at precious stones daw ang materyales ng mga mansyons sa heaven
saan po ba makikita ang verse neto?
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Post by violet on Jun 23, 2008 20:55:47 GMT 10
[glow=yellow,2,300]Heaven[/glow] [/color] ]
Revelation 21:4 says, "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away". There will be no weeping, and no wailing, and no gnashing of teeth as will be happening in eternal torment.
But there will forever and ever be nothing but joy, and peace, and happiness, beyond description. What a wonderful place Heaven will be. But again, the choice is ours. We cannot escape the consequences if we make the wrong choice. We will not accidentally end up in Heaven.
Heaven is a prepared place for prepared people.
Our Lord says in Matthew 6:33, "But seek first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness." Going to Heaven has got to be our number one goal in this life. We must want to go to Heaven more than anything else.
i preferred to choose being with God in Heaven...[/i] [/quote]
ok migs
pano yung mga kaluluwa na nag se seek ng justice sa throne ng Lord? syempre nandun na sila sa throne ng Diyos, di ba no more sorrow na nga? pero may longing for justice so medyo sad ba yun dahil they are seeking for justice?
Cge,
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Post by migy on Jun 24, 2008 17:51:16 GMT 10
[glow=pink,2,300]Hi violet![/color][/glow] ok, lemme share the chapter and verses;The King James Version Revelation 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Revelation 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; Revelation 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
yann...
what a place to be with our Living God...
di ba nakaka excite? so is pag nakikita mo kahirapan or nararanasan mo kahirapan kung nasaan ka man, basta me assurance ka naman sa Lord at nasunod mo ang gusto niya, so no need to worry about the eternal future... yung eternal promise...
minsa nakaka manhid na yung trials and persecution and most of the times yung circumstances in life, yung pinaka benefits natin ay yung manampalataya na merong Diyos na hindi tayo iniwan nor pinabayaan kailanaman, nakasulat pa rin sa Hebrews 13:5 hayzz na hayzz po talaga...
OK migs--
how about streets of gold at precious stones daw ang materyales ng mga mansyons sa heaven
saan po ba makikita ang verse neto?
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Post by migy on Jun 24, 2008 18:08:03 GMT 10
[glow=pink,2,300]Hi Violet, [/glow][/b] you mean nasa Great Throne of Judgement na sila....
Yung kamamatay lang nila then Judgement proceeds....
pls. correct me if am wrong... May God Help me on this... according to the bible kase (i-search ko din to support this) pag namatay na ang isang tao, We will be Judge Individually, kaya di na dapat ipag pray or i petition for salvation and isang namatay na, it's purely God's business for the souls na...
and yung promise ni God na wala ng iyakan, wala ng lungkot, wala ng gutom dahil sagana nga at para sa mga naligtas lang.
at sa mga hindi tumanggap at nanampalatay sa Diyos, Eternal Punishment ang naghihintay sa kanila...sige study tayo... (Guys Help po, Calling on Always, Leanne, Ruth, Tess, Supremo, Pika, Mike and All members who have a time to share and response/reply to succeeding and particular points...)
[glow=yellow,2,300]Heaven[/glow] [/color] ]
Revelation 21:4 says, "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away". There will be no weeping, and no wailing, and no gnashing of teeth as will be happening in eternal torment.
But there will forever and ever be nothing but joy, and peace, and happiness, beyond description. What a wonderful place Heaven will be. But again, the choice is ours. We cannot escape the consequences if we make the wrong choice. We will not accidentally end up in Heaven.
Heaven is a prepared place for prepared people.
Our Lord says in Matthew 6:33, "But seek first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness." Going to Heaven has got to be our number one goal in this life. We must want to go to Heaven more than anything else.
i preferred to choose being with God in Heaven...[/i] [/quote]
ok migs
pano yung mga kaluluwa na nag se seek ng justice sa throne ng Lord? syempre nandun na sila sa throne ng Diyos, di ba no more sorrow na nga? pero may longing for justice so medyo sad ba yun dahil they are seeking for justice?
Cge,
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Post by linsi on Jun 24, 2008 20:28:00 GMT 10
migs
aralin ko rin to ha kc may mga taong nakarating sa heaven pero di nakapasok dun sa gate? ? ? ?
baka gusto mong samahan meng mag research...
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Post by linsi on Jun 24, 2008 20:32:54 GMT 10
tapos yung new jerusalem bumaba galing "heaven"? so ano pong drawing line betwen new jerusalem , new heaven at yung pinanggalingang heaven?
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Post by linsi on Jun 26, 2008 1:57:22 GMT 10
migs, mukhang magandang assingment toh mukhang manga ngamote meh
mapipilitang aralin hala
asan na mga pastor at pari jan- help!
The bible says that we will build houses on the new earth, but until that happens we apparently have places to live in the city built by God. They shall build houses and inhabit them. They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. (Isaiah 65: 21)
ito ba ay langit? kc city built by God, so paradise! pero new earth at meron dun na mga vineyards at mga prutas at kumakain ang mga tao
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Post by leanne. on Jun 26, 2008 21:09:44 GMT 10
Ngek! Yung New Jerusalem city yun na galing sa langit
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Post by rafael on Jul 1, 2008 15:00:34 GMT 10
What is heaven? Where is heaven? Heaven is the sky or universe as seen from the earth; the firmament. Often used in the plural.
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Post by migy on Jul 1, 2008 19:02:25 GMT 10
did you ever measured heaven?
can you please answer that...
Can science actually or experimentally have a conclusions how/what is heaven made of?
If you have a research answer or reply about it, maybe i would believe that your belief is maybe true...
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Post by delta on Jul 2, 2008 22:02:12 GMT 10
Heaven is the sky or universe as seen from the earth; the firmament. Often used in the plural.
di ba pag sinabing plas lyt mo langit- di maabot?
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Post by linsi on Jul 6, 2008 23:37:19 GMT 10
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Post by migy on Jul 8, 2008 1:27:36 GMT 10
IMHO, I was just thinking na yung New Jerusalem na sinasabi ay yung mga Taong hinirang ng Diyos and God will Bless and Crown them as the New Heaven, New Church the Chosen People asside from Israel which is the Chosen People... Chosen Generation na magmamana ng New Jerusalem... yun po naman eh saking pananaw lang and to respect God's plan for us, let His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven... pero sige kayo muna ulit.... Study pa harder... san na po mga scholar natin diyan...
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Post by migy on Jul 8, 2008 7:25:19 GMT 10
Just to add up God's Promise for those who believe and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior...
Our Reward
Matthew 5:12 Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is great in heaven. For that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
John 6:47 I assure you: Anyone who believes has eternal life.
I John 5:13... "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that ye have ETERNAL life..."
1 John 5:13 Isinusulat ko ito sa inyo upang malaman niyo na kayong nananalig sa Anak ng Diyos ay may buhay na walang hanggan.
John 5:24 "I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life.
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Post by leanne. on Jul 8, 2008 11:15:31 GMT 10
ellow migy Kailangan talaga natin mga scholars, nalilito rin nga meh laging sinasabi kahit sa church ginto daw ang kalsada sa langit isip ko di ba new jerusalem city yun? Asan na mga scholars
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Post by migy on Jul 8, 2008 23:54:48 GMT 10
Meron yan, wait lang tayo....
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Post by linsi on Jul 15, 2008 11:36:01 GMT 10
We have the first heaven the second heaven and the third heaven-
di ba?
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Post by migy on Jul 19, 2008 8:11:28 GMT 10
Ho nga Leanne and Lindsay... Study pa tayo.... makikita nyo makakakuha tayo ng revelations diyan.... konting wait pa.... ellow migy Kailangan talaga natin mga scholars, nalilito rin nga meh laging sinasabi kahit sa church ginto daw ang kalsada sa langit isip ko di ba new jerusalem city yun? Asan na mga scholars
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Post by linsi on Jul 24, 2008 22:52:16 GMT 10
wait ka jan migy ha daya
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)
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Post by Always on Jul 26, 2008 1:25:30 GMT 10
I understand that P7ers are curious about the future. I am more than grateful to share my insights of what may or will happen basing from readings which are correlated to other topics within this forum.
We must first realize that The Milky Way is not our original galaxy because according to May 30th, 2006 scientific findings, our solar system came from an elliptical galaxy known as The Sagitarrius Dwarf. Due to the massively powerful spiral armed equatorial plane of the Milky Way Galaxy, it is slowly shredding to bits and eating up the Sagitarrius Galaxy.
www.space.com/images/030924_galaxy_eating_02.jpg
With just a flicker of time in our movement through space, our Earth has now fully began to respond to the more powerful galactic energies and electro-gravitational bias of the massive Milky Way. We have now been adapted by a new system, a stronger and more powerful system and we can expect changes on almost every level of energy.
It means
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Whatever these changes are, we are all part of natural birth, death, rebirth, and transformation of the cosmos. As our knowledge of the universe grows, our curiousity about creation grows with it and we cannot but understand how much we do not really understand. Such is life.
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