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Post by rafael on Aug 18, 2008 10:17:38 GMT 10
Because they choose to ignore their reason and choose to run away from the real world, they are unable either to see homosexuality for what it is (a mere part of human variation (and in my opinion, very likely biological in origin)) nor to see the homosexual as they experience life (the costs of the ‘closet’ and of regular suppression of their basic freedoms). The religious are unable to see or understand the effects that their faulty reasoning and broken imaginations have on their fellow human beings, and so continue to perpetuate a violence, for which they take no responsibility, because they perceive their actions as being Moral and Good, regardless of their consequences.
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Post by rafael on Aug 18, 2008 10:19:13 GMT 10
THE FAILURE OF RELIGION Although most religions claim to be in touch with the world’s maker and to be guided by holy principles, it is no secret of history that some of humankind’s most horrendous crimes have been perpetrated (and continue to be perpetrated) at the urging of one religion or another and in the name of some almighty god. If the world’s organized religions are a reflection of the gods they worship, then those gods are as unworthy of our worship as those religions are of our adherence.
Most religious leaders are not unlike political leaders whose main concerns appear to be maintaining control over the people within their spheres of influence. Obviously the welfare of the people is not uppermost. Otherwise how is it that, in those countries, or in whole regions of the world, where the population consists almost entirely of the adherents of a single religion, those religions have not produced a society that stands out as a bright and shining example to the world of the influence of the lofty principles upon which that dominant religious organization is supposedly based? (You might ask much the same question about capitalism. If capitalism is now the one true economic religion, handed down from on high, having outlasted infidel communism, and if capitalism is so great, why are there hungry and homeless people in the United States?)
The contradiction between the prevailing social chaos and the universally proclaimed belief that we must all “love one another” exposes the titanic struggle being waged today between the good and evil sides of human nature. There are millions of people in tens of thousands of organizations around the world doing the best they can with what limited resources they possess to make this a better world. Meanwhile, however, the world’s political and religious leaders acquiesce in a social and economic system that produces misery without limit, so that all the religious teachings about love, the political pledges of equality, the economic promises of abundance are but empty platitudes.
As painful as the process may be for those who have strong convictions about a particular set of religious doctrines, in the final analysis rationality demands that we address the basis upon which organized religions claim the authority to speak in the name of God. Perhaps there is some logical basis for believing that the existence of a universe proves there is a universe-maker, a line of reasoning which Bertrand Russell addresses with the retort that one must also then conclude that the existence of a universe-maker proves that there must be a universe-maker maker, and so on, ad infinitum. However, even if one accepts the existence of God, we must next inquire into how it is possible to know what God thinks or demands of us, and who it is who has the authority to speak in God’s behalf. Additionally, one must ask, Which God? If one accepts the Bible, for example, as the Word of God, the next question is, Which translation? And, Which interpretation of which translation? The Bible may be one book, but it has given rise to dozens and dozens of religious organizations, each claiming to be the one true church.
As the Coalescence proceeds, rationality will impose its logic on the issue, and under the glaring light of truth, religious organizations will dissolve and individuals will be free to find their own path to spirituality and purpose. They will be free to share their beliefs with others, but they will not be able to insist that others agree. The Masked Evolutionary says it will be a gloriously liberating moment in human evolution.
You will want to be there.
thecoalescence.wordpress.com/2006/11/01/the-failure-of-religion/
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Post by delta on Aug 18, 2008 12:57:45 GMT 10
Parang tama! Nag away away na at nagpatayan na dahil sa religion. Yung mga kulto gaya nung nabalitang polygamy sa mga Mormons nasira buhay ng mga pamilya.
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Post by rafael on Aug 18, 2008 21:50:58 GMT 10
Parang tama! Nag away away na at nagpatayan na dahil sa religion. Yung mga kulto gaya nung nabalitang polygamy sa mga Mormons nasira buhay ng mga pamilya.
You got it right.
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Post by Always on Aug 18, 2008 21:59:52 GMT 10
WOW ;D This is an old school
Did you not know that this is within the realm of Karl Marx's old and FAILED ideology? As one of the most and overly-quoted statement from Marx; "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes. (1843)
Karl Marx described religion as the opium of the people. And in so doing, he sought to indicate Religion of Theism was an opiate that deadened the senses of the people to the crass expoitation to which they were subjected by ruling class of society. A well-worn sentiments from a political and economic philosopher who has been proven to be wrong as time went by:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of the heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless situation, It is the opium of the people"
In fairness to Karl Marx though, he was right in pointing out about oppression of the people because even though existing in his mind but not immediately available to his consciousness - the people who were subconcsiously referred to were his people failed by his own system.
Thus, in modern times, it should be read as:
Religion des Atheismus ist das Opiat seiner eigenen Leute!
And why?
Since the fall of the old USSR, it had been established the validity of human right abuses and personal abuse issues to be the worst atrocities in human history as compared with other countries globally as testaments of truth from the new and independent republics of Russia.
This is also reason why the advocacies of the NPA and the CPP are failures too--they still cling and adhere to the old school principles of inadequacy. If the old USSR can reform with the help of the Unites States of America and the IMF. Thus, why can't those people from the NPA go down from hidings and reform?
I know why Because they committed a lot of atrocities not only to the people outside their niches but to themselves too. Atrocities which are not appeasable under government's amnesty
One last thing, the term "coalescence" in principle has already been a prophecy within the Book of Revelation as a unity of all people of different nations and of all religions
Btw, religions does not save you, Jesus does
Check out: Revelation 12:5
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Post by rafael on Aug 18, 2008 22:07:45 GMT 10
WOW ;D This is an old school
Did you not know that this is within the realm of Karl Marx's old and FAILED ideology? As one of the most and overly-quoted statement from Marx; "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes. (1843)
People who think Marxism is flawed should read the actual works of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and others. Without meaning to be condescending in any way, I suggest the following reading list as a start:
"The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State" by Frederick Engel's, "An Introduction to the Logic of Marxism" by George Novack, "Dynamics of the Cuban Revolution" by Joseph Hansen, and Trotsky's "The Revolution Betrayed".
The truth shall set you free. And here's a bit of truth the U.S. hides from its citizens: "The Communist Manifesto" still outsells the Bible year after year.
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Post by Always on Aug 18, 2008 22:34:09 GMT 10
WOW ;D This is an old school
Did you not know that this is within the realm of Karl Marx's old and FAILED ideology? As one of the most and overly-quoted statement from Marx; "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes. (1843)
People who think Marxism is flawed should read the actual works of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and others. Without meaning to be condescending in any way, I suggest the following reading list as a start:
"The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State" by Frederick Engel's, "An Introduction to the Logic of Marxism" by George Novack, "Dynamics of the Cuban Revolution" by Joseph Hansen, and Trotsky's "The Revolution Betrayed".
The truth shall set you free. And here's a bit of truth the U.S. hides from its citizens: "The Communist Manifesto" still outsells the Bible year after year.
Still, it did not disprove the fact the USSR failed in its old ideology. Still, it did not disprove the Fact that the United States of America and the IMF helped in reviving the country but with a consequence.
And what is this consequence?
The independence of different republics in order to achieve a TRUE DEMOCRACY
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Post by leanne. on Aug 19, 2008 7:00:43 GMT 10
Parang tama! Nag away away na at nagpatayan na dahil sa religion. Yung mga kulto gaya nung nabalitang polygamy sa mga Mormons nasira buhay ng mga pamilya. Yan ang mahirap sa religion, kase dapat malaman ang mali sa tamang religion. Madalas mali na ang intindi, kc hindi pwedeng maraming tama, iisa lang ang tama. Yang halimbawa polygamy o holy war- tama ba yan o mali?
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Post by migy on Aug 19, 2008 16:25:59 GMT 10
kaya tama yung salita ng Diyos leanne, people perish talaga if lack of knowledge and in studying we have to be very careful and ask wisdom muna sa Lord before initiating or following things on our own...
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Post by rowtide on Aug 21, 2008 11:04:06 GMT 10
Mapupunta ito sa tamang religion What is the right religion para hindi ito pagbintangang opium ng lipunan?
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Post by rafael on Aug 21, 2008 14:49:10 GMT 10
In fairness to Karl Marx though, he was right in pointing out about oppression of the people because even though existing in his mind but not immediately available to his consciousness - the people who were subconcsiously referred to were his people failed by his own system.
And what do you think about religious people at present? About Mormons who misled girls into sexual molestations and blindness? About the likes of Jim Jones who killed his members About clergies who enriched themselves through connections in the church? Look at India with so many religions, one is Devadasi. Devadasi system is not only exploitation of women, it is the institutionalized exploitation of women; it is the exploitation of Dalits, the lower class of untouchables; it is the religious sanction given to prostitution of helpless economically and socially deprived women. How about the Jihad or Holy War the relentless terror bombings of its members were they consider this as martyrdom. It is countless.
there is an argument that, instead of religion shaping society, it is society that shapes religion and therefore religion should not be blamed for discrimination, but at best religion is a convenient badge or vehicle for such discriminiation and at worst religion is a legitimisation and even an incitement to such discrimination. that is the argument, but in society the religious people,believing in powerful divinities poison society itself.
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Post by migy on Aug 22, 2008 14:11:24 GMT 10
Break Lines muna pow...
i am pleased to share this to all....
Godly Commands, Not Suggestions
The Bible does not offer suggestions; instead it commands us:
1. To be in right relationship with our brothers. (Matt. 5:24)
2. To follow the rule of peace. (Col. 3:15)
3. Not to "get even." (1 Thess. 5:15)
4. To be an example to others. (1 Tim. 4:12)
5. To be abounding, steadfast and immovable. (1 Cor. 15:58)
6. To renew our minds. (Rom. 12:2)
7. To separate ourselves from unclean things. (2 Cor. 6:17)
8. To be content with what we have. (Heb. 13:5)
9. To be filled with the Spirit. (Eph. 5:18)
10. To have no fear of what man can do to us. (Luke 12:4)
11. Not to be like the world. (Rom. 12:2)
12. To avoid greed and envy. (Heb. 13:5)
13. To be patient with all people. (1 Thess. 5:14)
14. Not to quit. (2 Thess. 3:13)
15. To be people of quality. (Heb. 6:12)
16. To beware of false prophets. (Matt. 7:15)
17. To avoid wrong conversation. (1 Tim. 6:20)
18. Not to quench the Spirit. (1 Thess. 5:19)
19. To abstain from all lust of the flesh. (1 Peter 2:11)
20. To teach our children about the Lord. (Eph. 6:4)
21. To cast all our cares upon the Lord. (1 Pet. 5:7)
22. To avoid murmuring or disputing. (Phil 2:14)
23. To give thanks in everything. (1 Thess. 5:18)
24. To give no place to the devil. (Eph. 4:27)
25. Not to grieve the Holy Spirit. (Eph. 4:30)
26. To honor our parents. (Eph. 6:2; Matt. 19:19)
27. To submit ourselves to God. (James 4:7)
28. To let men see our good works. (Matt. 5:16)
29. To resist the devil. (James 4:7)
30. To put on the whole armor of God. (Eph. 6:11)
31. To humble ourselves. (James 4:10)
32. To walk in the Spirit. (Gal. 5:25)
33. To cast down vain imaginations. (2 Cor. 10:5)
34. To come boldly to God. (Heb. 4:16)
35. To seek God's kingdom and righteousness. (Matt. 6:33)
36. To forsake not the assembling of ourselves. (Heb. 10:25)
37. To look to Jesus. (Heb. 12:2)
38. To be in agreement. (Matt. 18:19)
39. Not to cause others to stumble. (Rom. 14:13)
40. To bless those who persecute us. (Matt. 5:44)
41. To redeem the time. (Eph. 5:16)
42. Not to be ashamed of Jesus. (Rom. 10:11)
43. To have confidence in God. (Heb. 10:35)
44. To worship decently and in order. (1 Cor. 14:40)
45. To do all to God's glory. (1 Cor. 10:31)
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Post by migy on Aug 22, 2008 14:12:46 GMT 10
Okay continue lang po...
Rafael - Always... pls. pardon my share.... Commercial Encouragements lang....
Note: Either Admin can move it or not ok lang din po.... Musta po sa lahat... just dropping by..!
God Bless Us All...
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Post by linsi on Aug 25, 2008 22:14:39 GMT 10
Ang religion kc ganito---
sabihin nung isa= bawal sa amin yan
yung isa naman= bawal sa amin yun
etc..........etc........etc..............
isa lang naman ang utos---pagmamahal at sa dami ng religion siyang konti naman ng pagmamahal
paano ba magmahal- napunta sa pagmamahal..
Mas nauuna yung batas kesa sa pagmamahal at mas mahigpit pa kesa sa Diyos.
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Post by Always on Aug 27, 2008 22:20:09 GMT 10
Rafael stated: "And what do you think about religious people at present? About Mormons who misled girls into sexual molestations and blindness? About the likes of Jim Jones who killed his members"
Mine: First, you must be able to differentiate people who have faith in God from people who wanted to be gods.
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Rafael stated: "About clergies who enriched themselves through connections in the church?"
Mine: This has been explain many times that in theism once a person sinned, he recognized such separation of himself from the Laws of God. Since man is inherently evil, the answer to this is that no man is capable of living a completely lawful life. An apparent opposite of atheism's belief that man is inherently good. The truth is, inability of man's part always to act morally is made obvious to him by his own violations of God's Divine Laws as stated in the Scriptures or enforced by Earthly Legal Systems.
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Rafael stated: " Look at India with so many religions, one is Devadasi. Devadasi system is not only exploitation of women, it is the institutionalized exploitation of women; it is the exploitation of Dalits, the lower class of untouchables; it is the religious sanction given to prostitution of helpless economically and socially deprived women."
Mine: India not only has so many religions but its people also practice paganism. Guru Mahoraj Ji, an Indian Guru, who in 1966, at the age of only eight announced himself as the 'Perfect Master' and encouraged people to recognize, obey, and, adore him. There was an immediate and widespread response to his claim and by 1970 he was addressing a crowd of almost 2 million in Delhi. But after he moved to the United State and begun to indulge in a luxurious and extravagant lifestyle, his true personage came to light of self-destruction. His movement grew to over 5million followers but because of man's inherent evil nature he succumbed.
For it is written in Jeremiah 9:23 and
This is what the Lord says: “Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches,
Because in Jeremiah 9:8 it says:
Their tongue is a deadly arrow; it speaks with deceit. With his mouth each speaks cordially to his neighbor, but in his heart he sets a trap for him.
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Rafael stated: "How about the Jihad or Holy War the relentless terror bombings of its members were they consider this as martyrdom. It is countless."
Mine: First, you must be able to learn the different kinds of Jihad in order for you to know which one is truly being used for martyrdom
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Rafael stated: "there is an argument that, instead of religion shaping society, it is society that shapes religion and therefore religion should not be blamed for discrimination, but at best religion is a convenient badge or vehicle for such discriminiation and at worst religion is a legitimisation and even an incitement to such discrimination. that is the argument, but in society the religious people,believing in powerful divinities poison society itself."
Mine: Rather, in a society wherein people who believed in the Religion of Atheism, such society has been a poison in itself. I am saying this because of the fact that it truly happened (Re: Old USSR); and nobody can deny what happened except you of course Rafael. It is understandable for people who have committed themselves to such old school teachings; they always tend to believe that such historical event never took place.
OUT OF TOUCH - OUT OF REALITY
If a person can not justify his position on how to counsel a society which is evil, how can that person justify his belief against religions of theism being shaped by societies. The truth is, people are the ones that shape a society. I also once told you to do a research on the historical facts of human atrocities committed by the religion of atheism in order for someone not to label you as a one-eyed person looking only to just one side of a coin.
A DANGEROUS FALLACY
There was a time when Marxism seemed to be establishing itself as a credible alternative to theism, and many believed that it had God on the run; and its Utopian Visions are dangerous fallacies. Now at the beginning of the 21st century, it lies in a discredited and shameful heap on the graves of those massacred in pursuit of its godless ideas.
THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM published in 1997, puts the number of victims since the Russian Revolution eighty years earlier at between 85 million to 175 million.
On page 788 in the book entitled Modern Times, in the 20th century alone, the totalitarian state proved itself to be the greatest killer of all time and that by the 1990s, 'State action had been responsible for the violent or UNnatural deaths of some 125 million people during the century, more perhaps that it has succeeded in destroying during the whole of human history upto the 1900.
While on page 27 of the book The Quest for God, Marxism, along with other modern totalitarian alternatives to God, has been demonstrated to be incorrigibly destructive and evil.
The question now that does not belies to the collapse of the Old USSR is "Why did a system base on reason and idealism spawn every form of corruption known to man?"
Rafael, :PWHY?
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Post by rafael on Aug 30, 2008 3:47:32 GMT 10
[/b] Mine: First, you must be able to differentiate people who have faith in God from people who wanted to be gods.-------------------- ;D [/b][/color][/quote]
We are talking bout religion, didn't you once try to distinguish religion from a belief in Christ?
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Post by rafael on Aug 30, 2008 3:49:19 GMT 10
Mine: This has been explain many times that in theism once a person sinned, he recognized such separation of himself from the Laws of God. Since man is inherently evil, the answer to this is that no man is capable of living a completely lawful life. An apparent opposite of atheism's belief that man is inherently good. The truth is, inability of man's part always to act morally is made obvious to him by his own violations of God's Divine Laws as stated in the Scriptures or enforced by Earthly Legal Systems.-------------------- ;D
Thank you for this answer, which obviously justifies my argument.
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Post by rafael on Aug 30, 2008 3:55:42 GMT 10
Mine: India not only has so many religions but its people also practice paganism. Guru Mahoraj Ji, an Indian Guru, who in 1966, at the age of only eight announced himself as the 'Perfect Master' and encouraged people to recognize, obey, and, adore him. There was an immediate and widespread response to his claim and by 1970 he was addressing a crowd of almost 2 million in Delhi. But after he moved to the United State and begun to indulge in a luxurious and extravagant lifestyle, his true personage came to light of self-destruction. His movement grew to over 5million followers but because of man's inherent evil nature he succumbed. Don't you think that Paganism is a form of belief? Claiming that such practice is also religion in category which you similarly relate to atheism ?
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Post by rafael on Aug 30, 2008 4:15:46 GMT 10
Mine: Rather, in a society wherein people who believed in the Religion of Atheism, such society has been a poison in itself. I am saying this because of the fact that it truly happened (Re: Old USSR); and nobody can deny what happened except you of course Rafael. It is understandable for people who have committed themselves to such old school teachings; they always tend to believe that such historical event never took place.
It could be otherwise, that religion destroyed the old USSR. They were formerly rich and organized as China is today. China's destruction is imminent as religion gets in. The Central government is aware of that, that's why they strongly oppose religion in their society.
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Post by rafael on Aug 30, 2008 4:22:08 GMT 10
. OUT OF TOUCH - OUT OF REALITY If a person can not justify his position on how to counsel a society which is evil, how can that person justify his belief against religions of theism being shaped by societies. The truth is, people are the ones that shape a society. I also once told you to do a research on the historical facts of human atrocities committed by the religion of atheism in order for someone not to label you as a one-eyed person looking only to just one side of a coin. [/b][/color][/quote] Don't you think that both atheist and theist societies commited atrocities as you said, against mankind? History tells us that the Roman Church massively killed people, Occultism and Paganism kill people in the form of sacrifices, and what's more? What is now left with society when religion coats the world with fallacy and secrecy?
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Post by rafael on Aug 30, 2008 4:31:55 GMT 10
A DANGEROUS FALLACY
There was a time when Marxism seemed to be establishing itself as a credible alternative to theism, and many believed that it had God on the run; and its Utopian Visions are dangerous fallacies. Now at the beginning of the 21st century, it lies in a discredited and shameful heap on the graves of those massacred in pursuit of its godless ideas.
THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM published in 1997, puts the number of victims since the Russian Revolution eighty years earlier at between 85 million to 175 million.
On page 788 in the book entitled Modern Times, in the 20th century alone, the totalitarian state proved itself to be the greatest killer of all time and that by the 1990s, 'State action had been responsible for the violent or UNnatural deaths of some 125 million people during the century, more perhaps that it has succeeded in destroying during the whole of human history upto the 1900.
While on page 27 of the book The Quest for God, Marxism, along with other modern totalitarian alternatives to God, has been demonstrated to be incorrigibly destructive and evil.
The question now that does not belies to the collapse of the Old USSR is "Why did a system base on reason and idealism spawn every form of corruption known to man?"
Rafael, :PWHY?
Had the powerful leaders in theistic world been successful in wiping out syndicate of crimes, poverty and slavery under the disguise of freedom and religion? Why do the black continent of Africa with its rich forms of beliefs in occultism and religions suffer from genocides and poverty, diseases, wars and famine so as with South Asian nations?
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Post by Always on Aug 30, 2008 9:37:09 GMT 10
[/b] Mine: First, you must be able to differentiate people who have faith in God from people who wanted to be gods.-------------------- ;D [/b][/color][/quote]
We are talking bout religion, didn't you once try to distinguish religion from a belief in Christ?[/quote]
But what about people who wanted to be gods? And what are their similarities with people who embrace the Religion of Atheism?
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Post by Always on Aug 30, 2008 9:40:15 GMT 10
Mine: This has been explain many times that in theism once a person sinned, he recognized such separation of himself from the Laws of God. Since man is inherently evil, the answer to this is that no man is capable of living a completely lawful life. An apparent opposite of atheism's belief that man is inherently good. The truth is, inability of man's part always to act morally is made obvious to him by his own violations of God's Divine Laws as stated in the Scriptures or enforced by Earthly Legal Systems.-------------------- ;D
Thank you for this answer, which obviously justifies my argument.
You are very welcome!
Because if only you be able to recollect it, it goes back to the teacher/student scenario
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Post by Always on Aug 30, 2008 9:43:45 GMT 10
Mine: India not only has so many religions but its people also practice paganism. Guru Mahoraj Ji, an Indian Guru, who in 1966, at the age of only eight announced himself as the 'Perfect Master' and encouraged people to recognize, obey, and, adore him. There was an immediate and widespread response to his claim and by 1970 he was addressing a crowd of almost 2 million in Delhi. But after he moved to the United State and begun to indulge in a luxurious and extravagant lifestyle, his true personage came to light of self-destruction. His movement grew to over 5million followers but because of man's inherent evil nature he succumbed. Don't you think that Paganism is a form of belief? Claiming that such practice is also religion in category which you similarly relate to atheism ?
Then you just answered your own querry as to why ABOUT INDIA
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Post by Always on Aug 30, 2008 10:17:38 GMT 10
Mine: Rather, in a society wherein people who believed in the Religion of Atheism, such society has been a poison in itself. I am saying this because of the fact that it truly happened (Re: Old USSR); and nobody can deny what happened except you of course Rafael. It is understandable for people who have committed themselves to such old school teachings; they always tend to believe that such historical event never took place.
It could be otherwise, that religion destroyed the old USSR. They were formerly rich and organized as China is today. China's destruction is imminent as religion gets in. The Central government is aware of that, that's why they strongly oppose religion in their society.
On the contrary it's the other way around
Your belief in old teachings never seemed to disengage from you by not accepting the obvious truth. The reason for that is you are your own box and not admitting such that which is outside of that box of yours.
Did I not ask you to seek the difference between Atheism and Communism?
Did I not post here the 'data' when China opened its door again to other religions?
Did I not state that Religions of Theism in the old USSR diminished to point zero because of persecutions and UNnatural deaths?
and among others?
Unless you learn to accept these three for now then you wil get stronger in your stance. As you can see it is not always Cogito Ergo Sum but rather You exist because you are learning.
Don't just think in your box - learn and work on it
By what means?
Tying to accept the obvious truth
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Post by Always on Aug 30, 2008 10:30:24 GMT 10
. OUT OF TOUCH - OUT OF REALITY If a person can not justify his position on how to counsel a society which is evil, how can that person justify his belief against religions of theism being shaped by societies. The truth is, people are the ones that shape a society. I also once told you to do a research on the historical facts of human atrocities committed by the religion of atheism in order for someone not to label you as a one-eyed person looking only to just one side of a coin. [/b][/color][/quote] Don't you think that both atheist and theist societies commited atrocities as you said, against mankind? History tells us that the Roman Church massively killed people, Occultism and Paganism kill people in the form of sacrifices, and what's more? What is now left with society when religion coats the world with fallacy and secrecy?
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These are what I have been trying so hard to tell you in the first place ;D
Congratulation because now you are getting it (ale luya nga jan o) .
YOU ARE NOW ENLIGHTENED that it is not only in capitalism wherein you can experience different form of abuses to man for the simple reason that man tend to separate themselves from their faith.
But who committed the worst in a lesser period?
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Post by Always on Aug 30, 2008 10:56:30 GMT 10
A DANGEROUS FALLACY
There was a time when Marxism seemed to be establishing itself as a credible alternative to theism, and many believed that it had God on the run; and its Utopian Visions are dangerous fallacies. Now at the beginning of the 21st century, it lies in a discredited and shameful heap on the graves of those massacred in pursuit of its godless ideas.
THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM published in 1997, puts the number of victims since the Russian Revolution eighty years earlier at between 85 million to 175 million.
On page 788 in the book entitled Modern Times, in the 20th century alone, the totalitarian state proved itself to be the greatest killer of all time and that by the 1990s, 'State action had been responsible for the violent or UNnatural deaths of some 125 million people during the century, more perhaps that it has succeeded in destroying during the whole of human history upto the 1900.
While on page 27 of the book The Quest for God, Marxism, along with other modern totalitarian alternatives to God, has been demonstrated to be incorrigibly destructive and evil.
The question now that does not belies to the collapse of the Old USSR is "Why did a system base on reason and idealism spawn every form of corruption known to man?"
Rafael, :PWHY?
Had the powerful leaders in theistic world been successful in wiping out syndicate of crimes, poverty and slavery under the disguise of freedom and religion? Why do the black continent of Africa with its rich forms of beliefs in occultism and religions suffer from genocides and poverty, diseases, wars and famine so as with South Asian nations?
Again, you are always in that box of yours. Simply look around your box and within it, you're surrounded with antiquities. Those democratic countries have tried so hard to get rid of moral evils through freedom and theism; and are they gaining as compared to countries without God? Of course yes, simply look at the old USSR which enveloped its precious country with different forms of evil to the citizenries. Its vision of Utopia went down the drain full of repulsive discomfort to mankind.
Another fact is: From the ashes of a morally reprehensible country brings forth countries with democratic independence.
Which is better among the two now Rafael?
I bet you can not even stay in North Korea for at least a year bringing your own belief system with you
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Post by rafael on Sept 3, 2008 21:30:34 GMT 10
YOU ARE NOW ENLIGHTENED that it is not only in capitalism wherein you can experience different form of abuses to man for the simple reason that man tend to separate themselves from their faith.
But who committed the worst in a lesser period? [/color][/quote]
I was just trying to let you know that theist societies have much atrocities as a defense to my argument.
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Post by rafael on Sept 3, 2008 21:32:39 GMT 10
But what about people who wanted to be gods? And what are their similarities with people who embrace the Religion of Atheism? [/b][/color][/quote] Where are we now?
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Post by rafael on Sept 3, 2008 21:45:27 GMT 10
Let me just answer some of which i neglected from my last replies.
Rafael stated: "And what do you think about religious people at present? About Mormons who misled girls into sexual molestations and blindness? About the likes of Jim Jones who killed his members"
Mine: First, you must be able to differentiate people who have faith in God from people who wanted to be gods.
That is difficult. Many people who started faithful to a god as they declare later on wanted to be god
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Rafael stated: "About clergies who enriched themselves through connections in the church?"
Mine: The truth is, inability of man's part always to act morally is made obvious to him by his own violations of God's Divine Laws as stated in the Scriptures or enforced by Earthly Legal Systems. -------------------- ;D
That is the failure of religion
Rafael stated: " Look at India with so many religions, one is Devadasi. Devadasi system is not only exploitation of women, it is the institutionalized exploitation of women; it is the exploitation of Dalits, the lower class of untouchables; it is the religious sanction given to prostitution of helpless economically and socially deprived women."
THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM published in 1997, puts the number of victims since the Russian Revolution eighty years earlier at between 85 million to 175 million.
On page 788 in the book entitled Modern Times, in the 20th century alone, the totalitarian state proved itself to be the greatest killer of all time and that by the 1990s, 'State action had been responsible for the violent or UNnatural deaths of some 125 million people during the century, more perhaps that it has succeeded in destroying during the whole of human history upto the 1900.
While on page 27 of the book The Quest for God, Marxism, along with other modern totalitarian alternatives to God, has been demonstrated to be incorrigibly destructive and evil.
The question now that does not belies to the collapse of the Old USSR is "Why did a system base on reason and idealism spawn every form of corruption known to man?"
Rafael, :PWHY?
If those informations said so, it can be told that people thru the coming future generations dying from the hands of theist governments would outweigh and outnumber those who perished from communism/socialism/facist governments. Society may have been lured into false hopes that theism by having freedom of religion brings liberty to man, when in contrary, corruption from its own leaders destroy it. I stated about Africa and South Asian countries which has the most religions and beliefs in supernatural powers .
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