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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 18:48:06 GMT 10
ang haba haba na!!!!!! waaa! nahihirapan si ako...
sagot muna ako dun sa mga posts na patungkol sa aking belief...
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 18:52:20 GMT 10
Even sa mga taong ayaw maniwalang me Diyos, imposible na walang damdamin yang mga yan, damdamin/feelings na nagdidikta kung papano tayo susunod sa maling gagawin natin or sa mga taong gusto tayong pagawin ng alam nating mali... .. migy, I agree with the rest of ur post, except this one... liwanagin ko lang... is belief in the Christian God or any God for that matter based on feelings alone?? I guess what you really meant was..even atheists have conscience...
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 18:53:55 GMT 10
linsi,
maraming salamat sa walang sawa mong pagbabasa sa mga katanungan ko at walang sawang pagsagot...
pag di ko po sinagot its either naaborb ko na or sobrang di ko mainitindihan
[pag sinagot ko po..medyo naiinitindihan ko na pero di ko pa maasorb...
ayayay!
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 19:02:10 GMT 10
hi linsi, i agree with u and banshik about your posts about free choice... however may gusto pa rin ako liwanagin about conscience... papaano kung halimbawa ang pagkakaalam ko Love is good..there is nothing wrong with love di ba? what if you Love the wrong person...is it considered evil? and conscience ba ang nagsasabi sayo na this is the wrong person? wrong sya dahil married sya --- pero sa mga Muslim hindi ito problema sa mga Christians lang.. if conscience is the same for Christians and non Christians..bakit magkaiba ang judgement nila about loving a married man.. Hello Ruth,
Conscience amongst all men are all the same; may it be with Christian or Non-christian. And conscience falls under a common moral heritage, which could be defined as anything from an attitude to a relying yardstick that measures actions against any set of standards. But then, such standard may be questioned whether this is absolute and on what grounds.
Sometimes, FreeWill and Conscience are almost identical; but in reality, they are entirely different in grounds if base on what kind of morality it is from Always, okey lang ba, Tagalog sagot ko? or TagLISH? as u said : such standard may be questioned whether this is absolute and on what grounds... mag-bigay po ako halimbawa... this is the Christian standard/grounds (in the New Testament) Thou shall not commit adultery... this is the Muslim standard/ground (based in the Koran) Hindi pwede mag-asawa ang isang lalaki without the consent of his first wife..He cannot marry (a second, third, fourth wife) unless he is financially capable Ang sabi ng kunsensya ng Kristyano... hindi ako pwede mag-asawa ulit kahit pa ako ang may-ari ng Shoemart o basurero lang ako..at kahit pa pumayag ang asawa ko Ang sabi ng kunsenya ng Muslim... hindi ako pwede mag-asawa ulit dahil di pumayag ang unang asawa ko at basurero lang ako IN SHORT: magkaiba sila ng perception ng tama at mali dahil magkaiba sila ng standard/moral law na sinusunod...
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 19:22:17 GMT 10
always:
As underlined, dito natin masasagot kung ang pag-aasawa ba ng marami sa mga Muslim ay tama? Nasa Koran ba kaya na ang imahen ni Allah ay isang Diyos na maraming asawa? Hmmmn
Pero isipin natin noong unang panahon nila Eba't Adan - paano kaya dumami ang mga tao
mine:
good question!
eto po ang sagot ko ayon sa Bible:
Romans 2:12: "All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." The contrast here is between Jew and gentile. Jews are under the authority of the law, and gentiles are not.
Romans 3:19: "Whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God." The law speaks to those who are under its authority.
1 Corinthians 9:20-21: "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law."
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 19:26:36 GMT 10
however the law pertained in this verses are the Book of Laws or the Torah..
as Gentiles/Christians we are not bound by the Mosaic Law or the Old Covenant anymore..
can we also apply this to the Christian/Muslim argument? since muslims are not under the New Covenant (perhaps they havent heard of it) then they are not bound by Christian morality...
if this applies, then the Muslim conscience is clean ( he can marry as many brides as he wants)...
if this applies, perhaps Linsi is mirroring Apostle Paul ...to win (paliwanagan) those who are under the law and those who are not under the law...
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 19:45:38 GMT 10
more proof that in the Old Testament as mentioned by always..nung panahon ni Eba at Adan, ni Moses at Abraham (both Moses and Abraham have several wives)..hindi ito issue..
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Indeed the Old Testament assumes that marriages will be polygamous and laws are constructed based on that assumption. For example, Exodus 21:10 in the Bible states:
"If he take to him another wife, her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage shall he not diminish." (The Bible, Exodus 21:10)
sa Koran naman heto ang sabi:
"And if you fear that you will not be able to deal justly with the oppressed women then marry from among them two or three or four, but if you fear you wont be just , then marry only one (Koran 4:3)."
The Koran states explicitly above that polygyny is allowed only if the women you marry:
belong among oppressed (orphan) women. Men cannot pick and choose from "any" women who they want as a second wife Polygamy is to be practiced only if marriage would bring social justice to such women, justice that they are otherwise denied. If marrying more than one cannot bring such justice then polygamy is not allowed. Thus the Koran severely restricts the open practice of polygamy in society.
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 19:48:01 GMT 10
As far as Abraham and Moses is concerned..during their time..their conscience is clean...as they are not under the law "Thou shall not commit adultery"..at the time they had many wives..
As far as the Muslims are concerned..their consience are clean..as they are not under the law " Thou shall not commit adultery"..
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 20:06:11 GMT 10
sa Christian context:
nung panahon ni Eba at Adan iisa lang ang law..Do not eat the forbidden fruit...
iisa lang! but it caused Adam and Eve to sin...
after the 10 commandments there were more reasons to sin...
there would be no sin if no law was given to men..tama po ba?
kung hindi binigyan ng law ang tao...di na kailangan gamitin ang conscience...
but God gave men a set of laws directly thru Adam and indirectly thru Moses...then thru Christ..
do we really have to be under the law?
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 20:09:09 GMT 10
sa Muslim context or any religion for that matter:
all of this religious beliefs are based on a Spiritual Law..
and the bottomline is the same...it causes as to sin...
kung walang law...di ka magkakasala..
why do we have to be governed by laws if it will cause spiritual damnation?
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 20:13:33 GMT 10
Romans 7:5
5 .... the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death
============ sinful passions were aroused by the Law....
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Post by ruth on May 9, 2006 20:14:17 GMT 10
napalayo yata ako sa topic ng conscience...aheheh
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Post by empire on May 10, 2006 1:00:19 GMT 10
Kumusta na po sa lahat sobrang haba na po ng narating ng "forum" na 'to Hindi po ako makatiis na di sumagot dahil sa nakikita kong mga post dito. karagdagan lamang po ito hindi ko man masagot ang mga tanong nyo dahil sa sobrang haba na waaaaaaaaaaaaaah. hindi ko na ma-adopt lahat. hindi po natin dapat na pagtalunan ang mga bagay na ito. HINDI KAYA MAS MAGANDANG SABIHIN NATIN AT ITO PO ANG HINIHINTAY KONG I-POST NI SIS.LINSI BAKIT HINDI GANITO ANG SABIHIN NATIN BILANG KRISTIYANO "LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT" (maaaring sasabihin na naman natin papaano yong mga hindi naniniwala sa Holy Spirit) Kaya nga dapat na ito po ang ating pag-usapan ang mapaniwala sila na may Holy Spirit na dapat na mag-gaguide sa kanila. Hindi yong tayo mismo ay hindi na magkaunawaan at puro debate pa ang nangyayayri who knows baka pinagtatawanan nila tayo.Di ba at kaya nga nakagagawa ng isang karumaldumal na bagay ang isang tao dahil wala siyang guidance ng Holy Spirit even if they are christian or any other religions. At naniniwala rin ako na may mga taong tinatawag na Science Christian ito yong mga scientist na nakatuklas ng mga pangyayari sa bibliya na naganap na. for examples kung napanood ninyo yong "Hell is real" ang sabi noong scientist doon na nakatuklas ng mga pangyayari ito ang sabi niya "I DON'T BELIEVED IN BIBLE BUT NOW I BELIEVED IN HELL" sana po ang dapat nating pagusapan dito ay yong mga bagay na makakapag encourage doon sa mga hindi pa mananampalataya at higit doon sa mga hindi kristiyano' na dapat malaman nila na may Holy Spirit pala na dapat na mag-guide sa atin, if we are talking universal goods lets talk about something really good. PAALAM NA PO SA LAHAT.kita na alang po uli tayo sa p7 someday kapag handa na ang bawat isa ............? Always remember "Let your conscience be guided by the Holy Spirit"
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 14:08:17 GMT 10
quote empire:
HINDI KAYA MAS MAGANDANG SABIHIN NATIN AT ITO PO ANG HINIHINTAY KONG I-POST NI SIS.LINSI BAKIT HINDI GANITO ANG SABIHIN NATIN BILANG KRISTIYANO "LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT" (maaaring sasabihin na naman natin papaano yong mga hindi naniniwala sa Holy Spirit)
mine:
as you can see in my previous post, when Apostle Paul was speaking to the Corinthians...he talked to both believers and unbelievers...and he talked to them as if he was an unbeliever...
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 14:15:12 GMT 10
quote empire:
sana po ang dapat nating pagusapan dito ay yong mga bagay na makakapag encourage doon sa mga hindi pa mananampalataya at higit doon sa mga hindi kristiyano' na dapat malaman nila na may Holy Spirit pala na dapat na mag-guide sa atin, if we are talking universal goods lets talk about something really good.
mine:
picture this..you are in a wild river...and your left leg is incapacitated due to injuries..and you saw a drowning girl..with all good intentions you would like to save her...but can you really save her?
another analogy: bumili ka ng bagong bahay...at ang garden ng bahay na ito ay napabayaan at maraming weeds...you wanted to plant new ones...can you really plant new ones without weeding ? can you bring new life without death?
hindi po pwedeng magconcentrate lang sa universal goods...
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 15:44:00 GMT 10
isa pa pong tanong...
as an unbeliever do you agonise about sinning the way believers do?
if agony about sinning for believers is true...what causes it (the agony)..what is the effect of the agony? (backsliding, rebelliousness, stronger faith)..
if the conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit..does it mean we stopped sinning?
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Post by bangzhik101 on May 10, 2006 17:17:12 GMT 10
isa pa pong tanong...
as an unbeliever do you agonise about sinning the way believers do?
if agony about sinning for believers is true...what causes it (the agony)..what is the effect of the agony? (backsliding, rebelliousness, stronger faith)..
if the conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit..does it mean we stopped sinning?
Hi Ruth,
This is the reason why conscience alone is not the sole arbiter for moral judgement. A personal bias or interpretation can be made by man to make any moral action serve his own purpose. The terminology we use here is "false" conscience - wherein man using his conscience based on the false pretense of justifying evil acts as good.
In short - lahat may conscience, pero hindi lahat tama ang moralidad nito : )
To a person who is an "unbeliever" or someone who does not subsribe to Judeo-Christian values and moral laws, there is still the basis of Natural Law and to some measure human laws.
Not all believers (or unbelievers) would agonise over guilt because man has been proven to reject it. If man can choose to reject God, what more his personal guilt...
In my opinion, NO - even if the conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit, it does not assure man of not sinning. Ultimately, Man could choose to reject God and sin.
However, what is assures is moral culpability having man realize between what is right and what is wrong.
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Post by bangzhik101 on May 10, 2006 17:25:19 GMT 10
can we also apply this to the Christian/Muslim argument? since muslims are not under the New Covenant (perhaps they havent heard of it) then they are not bound by Christian morality...
if this applies, then the Muslim conscience is clean ( he can marry as many brides as he wants)...
if this applies, perhaps Linsi is mirroring Apostle Paul ...to win (paliwanagan) those who are under the law and those who are not under the law...
Hi Ruth,
Even Muslims who are not bound by Judeo-Christian morality are still bound by the Law. Moral Law is just a sub-set of God's Law. Furthermore, the Muslims are also bound under Natural Law.
The Muslim conscience maybe clean (i.e. false conscience) but the person is still bound under moral cupability and has to answer for his moral actions on the day of Judgement.
What St. Paul was showing is there is common ground for unbelievers to acknowledge moral culpability which is under the Law. In my example Natural Law.
What Linsi was saying is that this common ground is established not under the Law but under conscience which I disagree.
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 18:41:53 GMT 10
quote banshik:
Not all believers (or unbelievers) would agonise over guilt because man has been proven to reject it. If man can choose to reject God, what more his personal guilt...
In my opinion, NO - even if the conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit, it does not assure man of not sinning. Ultimately, Man could choose to reject God and sin.
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I agree po...
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 18:51:52 GMT 10
to banshik:
what causes the believer/unbelievers agony is conscience di po ba? regardless of the Holy Spirit's guidance...
if the believer's conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit and yet he still sinned...is this FALSE CONSCIENCE as you have defined it? if yes, then his morality (believing in Christian Law and the Holy Spirit...is now in question? ganun po ba?
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Post by linsi on May 10, 2006 18:58:37 GMT 10
hahaha si sir empire talaga nun ko pa sinabing yung conscience e voice of God at para sa mga chrsitians e Holy spirit at para sa mga pagans e conscience gaya ng conscience ng mga pagans at nung good samaritan nung gumawa sila ng mabuti..
di ba tanong ko yung 3/4 na klase ng soil sa parable of the sower? anong guide nila since reject nila ang Holy spirit e di yung conscience na voice of God.. Kumusta na po sa lahat sobrang haba na po ng narating ng "forum" na 'to Hindi po ako makatiis na di sumagot dahil sa nakikita kong mga post dito. karagdagan lamang po ito hindi ko man masagot ang mga tanong nyo dahil sa sobrang haba na waaaaaaaaaaaaaah. hindi ko na ma-adopt lahat. hindi po natin dapat na pagtalunan ang mga bagay na ito. HINDI KAYA MAS MAGANDANG SABIHIN NATIN AT ITO PO ANG HINIHINTAY KONG I-POST NI SIS.LINSI BAKIT HINDI GANITO ANG SABIHIN NATIN BILANG KRISTIYANO "LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT" (maaaring sasabihin na naman natin papaano yong mga hindi naniniwala sa Holy Spirit) Kaya nga dapat na ito po ang ating pag-usapan ang mapaniwala sila na may Holy Spirit na dapat na mag-gaguide sa kanila. Hindi yong tayo mismo ay hindi na magkaunawaan at puro debate pa ang nangyayayri who knows baka pinagtatawanan nila tayo.Di ba at kaya nga nakagagawa ng isang karumaldumal na bagay ang isang tao dahil wala siyang guidance ng Holy Spirit even if they are christian or any other religions. At naniniwala rin ako na may mga taong tinatawag na Science Christian ito yong mga scientist na nakatuklas ng mga pangyayari sa bibliya na naganap na. for examples kung napanood ninyo yong "Hell is real" ang sabi noong scientist doon na nakatuklas ng mga pangyayari ito ang sabi niya "I DON'T BELIEVED IN BIBLE BUT NOW I BELIEVED IN HELL" sana po ang dapat nating pagusapan dito ay yong mga bagay na makakapag encourage doon sa mga hindi pa mananampalataya at higit doon sa mga hindi kristiyano' na dapat malaman nila na may Holy Spirit pala na dapat na mag-guide sa atin, if we are talking universal goods lets talk about something really good. PAALAM NA PO SA LAHAT.kita na alang po uli tayo sa p7 someday kapag handa na ang bawat isa ............? Always remember "Let your conscience be guided by the Holy Spirit"
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Post by empire on May 10, 2006 19:37:46 GMT 10
hindi ko naman po sinasabing kapag ang konsiyensya ay guided ng Holy Spirit ay hindi na pwedeng magkasala, base po sa napag-aralan namin when i was in the seminar of SOE (school of evangelism) napakalaki po ng pagkakaiba ng guided ka ng Holy Spirit kaysa hindi: 1) kung alam mong kasalanan at masama bakit mo pa gagawin, What i mean is magkasala ka man naroon kagad ang paghingi mo ng tawad sa Diyos (direct) this is what we call conviction. 2) mangyayari lamang ito na The holy Spirit will moves in you at mangungusap siya sa isang tao if they accept Jesus as they personnal savior and Lord and if they will obey His words. 3) kaya nga ang tao madalas lamang ang makagawa ng kasalanan dahil wala ang guidance sa kanila ng Holy Spirit.( Gal. 5:22) opposite nito ang siyang madalas ay nakikita sa taong w/o the guidance of HS. 4) look 1 Cor. 12 the whole chapter ( gift of the HS) ito po ba ay makikita natin doon sa mga taong w/o guidance of the HS. pasesniya na po uli dahil ito ang konbiksyon sa akin ng Banal na Espirito na ibahagi sa inyo at doon sa mga makababasa nito. Mathew 28:19-20. ito po ang ibig kong sabihin ng sabihin kong "If we talking the universal good." God Bless po sa lahat. cheers Sir Banzhik isa pa pong tanong... as an unbeliever do you agonise about sinning the way believers do? if agony about sinning for believers is true...what causes it (the agony)..what is the effect of the agony? (backsliding, rebelliousness, stronger faith).. if the conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit..does it mean we stopped sinning?
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Post by linsi on May 10, 2006 19:38:26 GMT 10
ruth nasabi ko na ang aking arguments, napaliwanag ko na po, ang tumanggap salamat ang hindi tumanggap respect ko po, that's what we maintain in P7-
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 19:43:42 GMT 10
yung conscience e voice of God at para sa mga chrsitians e Holy spirit at para sa mga pagans e conscience gaya ng conscience ng mga pagans at nung good samaritan nung gumawa sila ng mabuti..
di ba tanong ko yung 3/4 na klase ng soil sa parable of the sower? anong guide nila since reject nila ang Holy spirit e di yung conscience na voice of God..
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Post by bangzhik101 on May 10, 2006 19:54:33 GMT 10
what causes the believer/unbelievers agony is conscience di po ba? regardless of the Holy Spirit's guidance...
if the believer's conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit and yet he still sinned...is this FALSE CONSCIENCE as you have defined it? if yes, then his morality (believing in Christian Law and the Holy Spirit...is now in question? ganun po ba?
Hi Ruth,
Not necesarily. There is a situation wherein both believers (i.e hypocrites) and unbelievers would not agonize on their immoral actions simply because like the means they rejected God would be the same means they would reject the their conscience. Ergo, guilt is not an absolute means of making a person realize right from wrong.
However, I also agree to some extend because of Natural Law even non-believers are bothered by their conscience on an immoral act.
NO, false conscience is a situation wherein man justifies and believes that even his immoral or evil ways is good and acceptable. A person whose conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit but chooses to reject is a sinner.
The difference is that a person with a false conscience does not believe he is sinning, while a person who is guided by the Holy Spirit but disobeys knows he sinned.
My Opinion: A sinner's morality can be questioned but it does not mean that the sinner's faith is lost. Rememberin the Old Testament, King David committed sinned (census, murder, etc.)but was judged a just man for keeping fidelity with the Lord. He was a sinner but he did not lose his faith.
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 20:10:29 GMT 10
sir empire
your point 1
1) kung alam mong kasalanan at masama bakit mo pa gagawin, What i mean is magkasala ka man naroon kagad ang paghingi mo ng tawad sa Diyos (direct) this is what we call conviction.
mine: because Man are born to sin. Kapag sinabing Thou shall not Covet! we will still COvet!
Romans 7:7-12
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 And I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive, and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good
We should not be surprised why a lot of unbelievers sin, but it is surprising that a lot of believers are sinning. The Holy Spirit can only guide the conscience but still up to Man to heed its call, its warning.
point 2: saka na natin pagusapan ang salvation
point 3: 3) kaya nga ang tao madalas lamang ang makagawa ng kasalanan dahil wala ang guidance sa kanila ng Holy Spirit.( Gal. 5:22) opposite nito ang siyang madalas ay nakikita sa taong w/o the guidance of HS.
mine: The Holy Spirit can only guide the conscience but still up to Man to heed its call, its warning. Again, no man is immune to sinning, whether the Holy Spirit guides you or not. It is up to Man to choose to follow the Holy Spirit's guidance.
Galatians 5:22 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
=========== kuya empire, i know you are more knowledgeable in Theology than I am..
but Galatians 5:22 is talking about sanctification not justification or not conscience at all (the faculty which allows us to choose between right from wring).. Galatians 5:22 talks about the fruit of being alive in Christ...the fruits of the Holy Spirit which is the exact opposite of agony and guilt when you are not with Christ because of acknowledged sin.
Pero tama ka po, if we try to be righteous in Christ or Christ-like it will allow us to deny the flesh and succumb to the Spirit.
But still Man is in the flesh...and the flesh will still succumb him to Sin...lagi po me battle between flesh and Spirit..
and the Christian's conscience po as far as I know is choosing between pleasing the flesh (bad) or pleasing the Spirit (good)...
4.) tama ka po...we should always share the Good News...but how can we convince the unbeliever or the lukewarm Christian that it is indeed the Good News and the solution to humanity's suffering...if he himself have not acknowledge that he is suffering, he is agonising because of his conscience, that he is a sinner? paano mo bibigyan ng gamot ang isang sakit na di pa alam ng pasyente? what is the affliction? and then Lo and behold the Good News!
if you will read Romans 7...Paul is convicting the Romans about sin...making sure they realize the effects of sinning thru a guilty conscience..
and then at Romans 8 ..Paul is encouraging everyone about the Good News...which you are sharing with us now...
the problem in modern times is..we always focus on the Good News..without really focusing on the Bad News first...
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Post by linsi on May 10, 2006 20:22:34 GMT 10
yung conscience e voice of God at para sa mga chrsitians e Holy spirit at para sa mga pagans e conscience gaya ng conscience ng mga pagans at nung good samaritan nung gumawa sila ng mabuti..
di ba tanong ko yung 3/4 na klase ng soil sa parable of the sower? anong guide nila since reject nila ang Holy spirit e di yung conscience na voice of God..
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now you are talking about what is good and evil conscience po yung lalagyan ng good
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 20:28:05 GMT 10
okie sige na nga..i will post some verses here that pertains to the conscience..para may common ground tayo lahat...
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 20:29:42 GMT 10
1 Corinthians 8 Food Sacrificed to Idols 1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But the man who loves God is known by God. 4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
7But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.
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Post by ruth on May 10, 2006 20:30:55 GMT 10
in this verses, Paul addresses those with Weak Conscience...
please explain po muna kung ano pagkakaintindi nyo dito
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