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Post by theservant on Apr 3, 2006 20:02:32 GMT 10
I'm hoping that this would not create hatred between myself and our dear catholic friends, let me just share what i believe and what the Bible states;
In Chapter 10 or Jeremiah Verse 2; Thus says the Lord: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.
And supported by Verse 3; For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. [/size]
]To Continue please read with me accordingly (Verses 3 -5;
For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good." [/size]
And from Verses 6 to 8
Inasmuch as there is none like You, O Lord (You are great, and Your name is great in might),
Who would not fear You, O King of the nations? For this is Your rightful due. For among all the wise men of the nations, And in all their kingdoms, There is none like You.
But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine.[/size]
And the Word of God supported in Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [/size]
I would rather share it with boldness than fail to explain the love of Christ to mankind.
Only time will tell that Christian loves even those who persecutes Christians, we are all in the Flesh and we continue to sin, God knows how we long for sharing His Love with our Love ones
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Post by linsi on Apr 3, 2006 23:25:09 GMT 10
Ok , graven images are about man made images and not only the roman catholics do that, i think if fairness is the name of the game, many people in other religions have graven images..
but the deeper meaning of graven images means idolising them and worshiping them, worship is a profound word, we donot worship just because we literally bow down but we worship within our hearts.
one sometimes worship without bowing down and many professed christians idolise things which bring curses in their lives.PRIDE, FORNICATIONS, SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, CORRUPTIONS, MURDER..
Minsan kapag nakakakita ako ng mga taong nag bow down sa isang rebulto ang agad tinatanong ko sa sarili ko ay..
paano kaya ang puso nya? he maybe bowing down but the heart has been pleasing to God. dahil yung nakagawian nya ay handed na lang sa kanya.
may mga taong hindi nga nag bow down pero ubod ng selfish at papasok dito ang makipot na daan which less people chose to take..
i am not so much about these graven images, we are under the grace of God although i donot compromise
and i fully understand the author of this thread.
LET OUR CONSCIENCE BE OUR GUIDE
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Post by linsi on Apr 3, 2006 23:32:14 GMT 10
i have so many professed christian friends inside and outside my church, we have no graven images ang nakakalungkot lang, these christians have so much pride with their bibles and yet they live with garbages, they thought they were better..
the worst thing is they professed they are saved and they always justify their lives.
personally speaking i would talk to God without these graven images but talking to God is different when we live daily as persons.
Outside the church the real battle begins. Outside their graven images their real battle begins..
Life itself is the battle
Nice thread theservant.
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Post by linsi on Apr 3, 2006 23:38:47 GMT 10
christian ba ang mag fornicate? mag murder. magka pride?
yes, many clergies and some born again pastors have been published in the news papers commiting adultery, fornications some murdered their spouses
they were clergies and they preach the gospel of Christ!
Were they christians? categorically speaking yes!
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Post by linsi on Apr 3, 2006 23:41:10 GMT 10
this is a very sensible thread because it speaks of ourselves, all of us and how we stand before God in our daily living..
hi sir empire
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Post by theservant on Apr 8, 2006 17:53:19 GMT 10
All things work together for good pa rin talaga, and i know lahat ng nangyayari laging me reason. Good Day Linsi!
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Post by empire on Apr 19, 2006 23:33:51 GMT 10
all i can say is LET THE HOLY SPIRIT BE OUR GUIDE NOT OUR CONSCIENCE. .
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2006 0:13:54 GMT 10
all i can say is LET THE HOLY SPIRIT BE OUR GUIDE NOT OUR CONSCIENCE. .
agree po pero sir empire how does one define conscience po?
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Post by bangzhik101 on Apr 20, 2006 19:08:20 GMT 10
Linsi,
Better yet ... how would man know if it is really the Holy Spirit guiding the conscience???
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2006 23:43:44 GMT 10
Linsi, Better yet ... how would man know if it is really the Holy Spirit guiding the conscience???
ahehe napunta sa conscience na nga others say that conscience is the voice of God within, because man has an inherent recognition of a just God, since man was created in God's image, in his subconscious and conscious state, the image of God is within.
there are terms which describes dead conscience in which a man does not recognize good but rather evil prevails in his mind.
sigmund freud states that conscience originates from the superego
The superego is the part of the mind that acts as our conscience and tries to impose on the rest of the mind the expectations of society. It is responsible for our inner sense of morality and thus develops as we grow up. In his later works Freud also mentions a 'cultural superego' which is responsible for influencing the individual's superego.
at any rate, other people who donot believe in the theory of a God has inherent conscience to do good over evil, agnosthics know how to do good because of their conscience.
other religions who donot recognize the HOLY SPIRIT have their morals in doing good because of their conscience..
man was born with an inherent character to know that which is good from evil and that is conscience therefore basically conscience can be interpreted as the voice of God.
kaya nga kapag may masama kang ginawa o karumal dumal na krimen maririnig natin ang pangkaraniwang comments na" walang konsensya ang gumawa nun" which indicates that conscience is associated in doing or judging between good and evil.
One is consciencious when this one decides to do what is good.Therefore man in his humanity has a conscience to guide him beginning at birth.
Christians have the Holy Spirit indwelling upon their conscience.
Pagans have their own beliefs indwelling upon their conscience so that they do and follow what is good...
One who engages in horrible acts or unacceptable acts according to society's norms are recognized by having NO CONSCIENCE OR DEAD CONSCIENCE.
IN OTHER WORDS WE TALK OF A CONSCIENCE which is alive in us where the voice of god resides..
araykupu napahaba nah
sa maiksing salita agree meh kay sir empire about the HOLY SPIRIT indwelling in a conscience that speaks and commands us to do good.
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Post by linsi on Apr 20, 2006 23:44:46 GMT 10
Kuya banshik
maya mo mapunta naman to sa what is good and what is evil wahh
kaw na ang sasagot nun pati si sir empire..yokong ma RF~!
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Post by migy on Apr 23, 2006 19:30:28 GMT 10
ako din Share ako ng akong belief... No question ako diyan about Idols at napagkasunduan narin namin ni Kuya Banshik na, the Fact that we agree that Jesus died for us and by Grace we are saved... Hi kuya Banshik... The important theme and matter that we, I think we have to focus is our Faith sa Lord Jesus Christ... pardon me for my belief... Jesus is my hope and trust Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting? For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. How we thank God, who gives us victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ our Lord! 1 Corinthians 15:55-56 NLT Jesus lives, and so shall I: Death, thy sting is gone forever! He for me hath deigned to die, lives the bands of death to sever. He shall raise me from the dust: Jesus is my hope and trust. Jesus Lives, and So Shall I Christian Furchtegott Gellert (1715-1769) What difference does Christ's resurrection make? Is it just a happy ending to an otherwise tragic tale? No, of course not. Jesus had to rise, as Peter eloquently stated at Pentecost. It was impossible for death to defeat the Lord of life. The Resurrection proves that Jesus was the Son of God. Our faith is built on this solid foundation. As Paul wrote, "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.…If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men" (1 Corinthians 15:17, 19). But He has risen! And as Jesus promised His disciples, "Because I live, you also will live" (John 14:19). Without Christ, human life is merely prolonged death. Everything is decaying. But Jesus gives us eternal life, which radically changes our life on earth. Not only do we have eternity to look forward to, but we have the power to live in right relationship with God and others right now in our daily lives. Jesus is our hope for the future and our trust for each day. Praise Him! Jesus is our only Hope... Have a Blessed Day People... eyy "servant" nice and Blessed thread... migz
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Post by empire on Apr 25, 2006 1:29:10 GMT 10
Hi! Sis.Linsi CONSCIENCE (definition) Its a Moral consciousness in general.The activity or faculty w/c distinctions are made between right or wrong in one's own conduct and character, the act or power of moral descrimination: Ethical judgement or sensibility. Comformity in conduct to one's conception of right or wrong. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. At maliwanag po ang konsensiya ay kaiba sa Banal na Espirito. Base on my Spiritual Knowledge "not the Head knowledge" the Holy Spirit is the voice of God which is called " The Still small voice" at katulad po ng sinabi ninyo na kapag ang tao ay nakagawa ng karumaldumal na bagay ay most of the people say's ay " ayan inuusig na ng konsensiya" ofcourse may kunsensiya ang tao dahil wala namang nilalang ang Diyos na likas na masama. As part of my testimonies na rin Sis. As an elder of one of the biggest church here in Jeddah madalas I experience na madalas The Lord talk to me through the Holy Spirit. for example if you know the life of Apostle Paul. hindi ba tinawag siya ng Diyos hindi sa pamamagitan ng konsensiya...........
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Post by linsi on Apr 25, 2006 5:13:01 GMT 10
sir empire
paano po ang mga buddhists at ibang religion na hindi naniniwala sa Holy Spirit? pero po meron silang konsensya kaya gusto nilang gumawa ng mabuti, ang mga hindus at buddhists gusto nilang maging maliit na buddha kaya gusto nilang ma reach ang enlightenment, which means choosing THE COMMON GOOD or UNIVERSAL GOOD.
sa atin pong mga naniniwala kay kristo we have the Holy Spirit pano po yung mga bumabasa dito na agnostics pwede bang sabihin ko sa kanilang let the Holy spirit be their guide?
halimbawa po gusto kong i promote ang mabuti at tama sa kanila maintindihan po kaya nila ako?
samantalang ang konsensya po, it is inherent in each man to have their conscience to judge between right and wrong, that is why society in general has its norms...
pero agree po ako, para sa atin dapat choice ang Holy Spirit, lamang gumagamit ako ng isang term na relate po ang nakararami.
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Post by linsi on Apr 25, 2006 5:36:34 GMT 10
As part of my testimonies na rin Sis. As an elder of one of the biggest church here in Jeddah madalas I experience na madalas The Lord talk to me through the Holy Spirit. for example if you know the life of Apostle Paul. hindi ba tinawag siya ng Diyos hindi sa pamamagitan ng konsensiya...........
sir empire
Saan po tinawag ng Diyos si Pablo? Sa pandinig po lamang ba? o ang kanyang mismong konsensya ang nag decide na sumunod.
the conscience of apostle paul was awakened and it responded to Christ po.
it is believed that both the mind and the heart has part of the conscience. At kaya po ni pablo na tumanggi kay Kristo kung gugustuhin nya, hindi siya pinatahimik ng kanyang konsensya dahil pinili niyang sumunod kay Kristo.
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Post by theservant on Apr 25, 2006 21:23:12 GMT 10
i think it has to be discerned and think thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but still the action takes place when you decides what to follow, either the other way or the Heavenly way. I therefore agree to the leading of the Holy spirit but still conscience is a diffrent matter. hey people this is a nice thread to continue, let us give some more enlightment. where's migy?
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Post by migy on Apr 25, 2006 21:33:56 GMT 10
I agree with you servant, musta na nga pala Personal Buz mo.... ============= Okay, Thing is nandun na tayo Conscience has to be considered pero it does not referred as guidance of the Holy Ghost... I think magkaiba po iyon Mr. E. and Mr. Servant, maganda lang we all agrees that it lies thru the Leading of the Holy Spirit which God has been given unto us... So in the long run, ano ano ba dapat ang i consider or dapat pagtuunan ng talakayin... Please enlighten me naman, Linds, Mr. E, Mr. Servant, Banshik, Midnight, Sarah, Ruth, Always, Frangz, hotty, leanne, ikaw, siya, sila at mga nagbabasa... Just at least give us your stand and we will respect that, specially the Author Threader mr. Servant. Sige po tuloy lang, ganda po nito... i think it has to be discerned and think thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but still the action takes place when you decides what to follow, either the other way or the Heavenly way. I therefore agree to the leading of the Holy spirit but still conscience is a diffrent matter. hey people this is a nice thread to continue, let us give some more enlightment. where's migy?
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Post by linsi on Apr 25, 2006 22:01:06 GMT 10
ahehe simplify ko po ere..
ang konsensyang tinutukoy ko ay ang conscience which is the recipient of judging and choosing good over evil.. universal po ito
ito ang gusto ko sanang message universally.. sa mga pagans, buddhist, agnostics o kung sino po man ang makadaan sa P7 na maka relate sila pag sinabing konsensya mo na unless po na pumasok tayo sa christian theology..
sa comemrcial.. safeguard.. malinis daw ang konsensya..
The conscience which judges good over evil and therefore drives us to do good according to our conscience.
ang conscience po naten ang nag de decide to choose God.. Sa ating mga believers, we choose the Holy spirit
sa mga ibang pagan and cultic religions they have their conscience to choose their own religious teachings to decide to be good..
sa mga atheists po at agnostics their conscience also decide to choose what is good..
therefore isa lang po ang end result--to decide for what is good.
our conscience do it..
kaya nga po pag sinabing let your conscience be your guide.. universal po ito hindi ko nililimitahan sa christian doctrines dahil po hindi lahat ng tao ay kristyano and reality is Man has the inherent character of goodness because of the good conscience which i am referring to..
Let our conscience be our guide.. meaning
the conscience which points to the Holy spirit among christians
and the conscience which points to do good among other religions and pagans as well..
again po unless pumasok tayo sa christian theology at focus tayo dito then..
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Post by migy on Apr 25, 2006 22:46:33 GMT 10
Now i see it more clearly, naunahan lang kasi siguro ng exchanges agad... sige po guys tuloy lang... ==== ty linds!
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Post by linsi on Apr 25, 2006 22:56:07 GMT 10
thanks migy haha
kaya nga ngayon declare ko kung focus tayo sa christian theology AYUN! focus tayo sa Godhead..
doing good is a character of all religions wala pong religion na nagturo ng masama
pero kung ang paguusapan natin ay christian theology liliit po ang area at itoy magigiging para sa mga kristyano lang at ang mga christians ay nahahati pa sa naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa pakadaming denominations na di magkatugma tugma DAW!
YUNG MGA jw IBA ANG PERCEPTIONS SA HOLY SPIRIT ang mga mormons ganun din, ang mga INC ganun din, ADD iba iba pero lahat paniwala kay Kristo at dahil na rin kay Kristo nag talo talo nah ang mga ;D------- lahat tama tatamaan ahehe
but when we speak of the universal good i would prefer to point out conscience.. kc po lahat ng tao ay may konsensya upang pumili ng mabuti kesa sa masama... relate po lahat dyan..
kung si pablo naman ang example...narinig niya ang boses ng Diyos pumasok sa konsensya at pinili ng kanyang konsensya ang sumunod at maniwala..
it is thru hearing and hearing by the word that our conscience responds to faith...ahek.. napapahaba pow
ello kay sir empire, tama ang kanyang standard wala pong disagreement dun..
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Post by migy on Apr 25, 2006 23:14:17 GMT 10
Hey Sir. Empire, Clarifications lang, pero po ganda ng Flow ng topics... sige lang po share lang tayo... Puso naman tinitingnan satin ng Diyos nating buhay... gandang araw linds, servant, empire and you who is reading this one...
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Post by migy on Apr 25, 2006 23:16:07 GMT 10
Suma tutal po, lahat me puntos... Point is between Christianity and Other Faith towards conscience and walk of faith!
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Post by sketch on Apr 26, 2006 2:27:02 GMT 10
tanong lang po?
tayo po ba ay nakarananas na magpapicture? siguro naman lahat d ba?
so is it just that piece of paper or the person in the picture?
in my point of view po, its not really the physical thingy, its not the wood carvings, its not the paper framed into sumthin, its the person behind it that we're lookin into
faith is beyond physical things, its sumthin deeper
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Post by hottyfecehh on Apr 26, 2006 5:38:11 GMT 10
ang lalim ng sagot ng pamangkin ko a.... [yellow]it's the pictyur in the frame? nu daw?[/yellow] hehe..... well, para sa kin ay mahalaga ang motibo.... Kung ang motibo ay maka-DIYOS, e di pasado... may graven images o wala... During Jesus's time, bakit walang graven images?
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Post by empire on Apr 26, 2006 20:22:29 GMT 10
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Post by linsi on Apr 26, 2006 20:43:35 GMT 10
I believed its not the conscience of Apostle Paul but the "Holy Spirit is" kaya nakuhang sumunod ni Paul when he called by God at dahil na rin sa Holy Spirit kaya naabot tayo ng kaligtasan through Apostle Paul
i respect your opinion sir empire.. kahit anong gawin ng Diyos kung ayaw mismo ng may katawan hindi pipilitin ng Diyos maliban lang pumasok tayo sa definitions ng permissive will at supreme will ng Lord..
meron po tayong freewill na tinatawag.. at ito ay related sa konsensya..
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Post by linsi on Apr 26, 2006 21:08:41 GMT 10
First agree po akong Holy Spirit ngunit ito ay nalilimitahan lamang sa christian theology paano po yung mga hindi pa nakakrinig at narinig man nila ay ayaw pa ren?
sa parable of the sower po ilang porsyento lang ng lupa ang mabuting lupa, na tumanggap sa binhi ng Diyos, tumubo at namunga? 1/4 lang po 4 kinds of soil po yun paano ngayon, yung 3/4 ano ngayon ang magiging guide nila?
ibig bang sabihin wala silang kakayahang gumawa ng tama at mabuti? MERON PO, konsensya ang ginagamit nila..
at kung sasabihin ko sa kanilang let the Holy spirit be your guide? maintindihan kaya nila?
at paano yung ayaw tumanggap, ano ngayon ang guide nila?
ang Holy spirit po ay para lang sa ating mga tumanggap, para sa iba LET THEIR CONSCIENCE be their guide.. the good conscience which judges good from evil.
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Post by linsi on Apr 26, 2006 21:23:56 GMT 10
If we are talking universal good bakit hindi natin gamitin itong p7 to share the WORDS malay natin the "Holy Spirit" touch their heart(buddhists and other religions)
Agree din po ako dito pero paano kung ayaw nila? paano po kung ayaw nilang tumanggap? ano po ngayon ang guide nila?
kayo po sir empire
pag nangangatwiran kayo at nag dedesisyon kayo ano po ang ginagamit ninyo? di po ba at free will at related ito sa konsensya?
pag nagkakasala tayo anong ginagamit natin di ba at konsensya din?
kung ganun ang konsensya ang pumipili dahil ang free will po ay ibinigay ng Diyos sa tao
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Post by linsi on Apr 26, 2006 21:28:43 GMT 10
Diyos po ang nagbibigay ng standard. batas at guidance at ang konsensya po natin ang pumipili at tumatanggap ng kung anong mabuti
Konsensya ang gumagawa ng mabuti in order for man to have God's rewards
at yung walang konsensya ang gumagawa ng masama in order for man to receive his own punishments.
uulitin ko po ang tanong
sa parable of the sower, yung 1/4 na mabuting lupa ginawa nilang standard ang Holy Spirit, paano po yung 3/4 na ayaw tumanggap sa Diyos, ngunit may kakayahang gumawa ng mabuti..
ano na po ang guide nila?
elooooo sir empire.. cge lang maganda ang usapan
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Post by linsi on Apr 26, 2006 21:32:10 GMT 10
sir empire
iba po ang salvation hane? wak pong isasama at hahaba lalo e marami pa kayong itutuloy dun sa mga bitin ninyong kwento
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