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Post by hottyfecehh on Apr 27, 2006 0:48:41 GMT 10
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Post by empire on Apr 27, 2006 1:25:01 GMT 10
[ First agree po akong Holy Spirit ngunit ito ay nalilimitahan lamang sa christian theology paano po yung mga hindi pa nakakrinig at narinig man nila ay ayaw pa ren? [/td][/tr][/table] Agree din po ako dito pero paano kung ayaw nila? paano po kung ayaw nilang tumanggap at kung sasabihin ko sa kanilang let the Holy spirit be your guide? maintindihan kaya nila? Remember "Romans 8:28
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Post by hottyfecehh on Apr 27, 2006 2:09:51 GMT 10
conscience=The awareness of a moral or ethical aspect to one's conduct together with the urge to prefer right over wrong
holy spirit=the third person in the Trinity; Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit after his Crucifixion and Resurrection; it came on Pentecost
[orange]Tanong lang: nung di pa namamatay si Jesus Christ, wala pa conscience ang mga apostles nun at after his death lang nagka-conscience kasi dun pa lang give ni JESUS ang HOLY SPIRIT to all HIS disciples in order to preach the gospel/do godly works? [/orange]
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Post by linsi on Apr 27, 2006 23:33:36 GMT 10
conscience=The awareness of a moral or ethical aspect to one's conduct together with the urge to prefer right over wrong
holy spirit=the third person in the Trinity; Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit after his Crucifixion and Resurrection; it came on Pentecost [orange]Tanong lang: nung di pa namamatay si Jesus Christ, wala pa conscience ang mga apostles nun at after his death lang nagka-conscience kasi dun pa lang give ni JESUS ang HOLY SPIRIT to all HIS disciples in order to preach the gospel/do godly works? [/orange]
sis
basa ko ang ibig mong sabihin..nung declare ni sir empire na hindi tamang sabihin na let your conscience be your guide at dapat let the Holy Spirit be your guide, you wanted to emphasize that the Holy Spirit was given by God at the day of pentecost lang so reverse implication wala palang Holy Spirit before Christ
which implies that people before Christ cannot have the Holy Spirit as their guide kc nga naman the Holy spirit was given after the death of Christ..
raykuh napunta sa christian theology e inilalabas ko na nga sa christian ed ito para maging universal kc ang konsensya po ay kasama ng isip ng tao simula palang nang siya ay nilalang na.... at any rate sis.. ok yang tanong mo.. ituloy natin..
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Post by linsi on Apr 27, 2006 23:44:08 GMT 10
christian educ po muna..
ang HS (holy spirit po) ay existing na noon pa man because we have a TRIUNE GOD..nung unang panahon ang Holy spirit ay manifested na sa Old Testament at kung mababasa natin ang OT God speaks through the prophets lang' but God since the ancient of days he is the father, the son and the holy spirit po.. ibang theme po yan mas malawak..
ang HS ay naging availbale sa lahat individually at the day of the pentecost kc, pangako ito ni Christ dahil nalulungkot ang mga disciples, kc nga paalis na si Christ at babalik na sa ama so ang sabi ni Christ, wag kayong mag alala may ipapadala akong comforter YAN NGA NGA ANG HOLY SPIRIT, which is availalbe to everyone who receives and believes..
Christ has to perform His role as a mediator between God and Man He also performs as our judge advocate, umaapila po siya sa ama para sa atin dun sa langit..
balik po tayo sa konsensya, kung ang Holy spirit ay hindi pa available individually before Christ and before his death...
ano ang guide ng tao to do moral good?
IT IS THE CONSCIENCE... uulitin ko po it is the conscience..
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 0:09:29 GMT 10
kaya nga po wala akong disagreement sa sinabi ni sir empire lamang hindi po makaktulong ang too much legalism sa terms when it comes to this topic ..
The Holy Spirit is Christian paano po ang mga taong nilalang ng Diyos na hindi kristyano at ayaw maniwala ano po ang kanilang guide to do moral good?
IT IS THE CONSCIENCE..
conscience is the voice within which gives us guilt when doing wrong..therefore it is the judge or superego which points at us when we do something immoral and something wrong, it is also the judge which convicts us to lead us to accept the HS as the third personality of God as christians.
in other words conscience is the builtin judge in our mind which dictates us to obey Christ as christians
likewise it is the builtin judge of pagans to dictate them to do what is morally good in accordance to their conscience or guilt.
we can say therefore that conscience is the small voice within, which other say, is the voice of God.
Ang HS ay sa christian doctrines lang, to the universal good it is conscience which guides us all to do good.
the christian conscience has the Holy Spirit of God the pagans also have God in their conscience and they address it in different terms..the universal truth?
all religions aim for the universal good.
ang point ko po..lahat ng tao ang gusto ay mabuti at lahat tayo ay may konsensya para gawin ang mabuti in our respective perceptions pareho pong KONSENSYA ang dahilan, for christians it is the Holy Spirit, for pagans it is the conscience itself which is God given universally..
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 0:13:23 GMT 10
luke 11:13
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?"
take note
if you then being evil knows how to give good gifts, therefore evil people know how to give good gifts why? because of their conscience
at saan po galing ang konsensya? sa Diyos...
wala itong disagreement kay sir empire
LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR GUIDE...
elloooo pow
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 1:31:04 GMT 10
luke 11:13
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?"
===ang bait talaga ng Dyos ====
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 1:34:39 GMT 10
singit lang po...The Holy Spirit is different from our spirit..(as in mind,body and spirit)..
but Jehova's witnesses believe that we do not have sprits...bodies and minds lang...
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 1:39:18 GMT 10
IT IS THE CONSCIENCE..
conscience is the voice within which gives us guilt when doing wrong..therefore it is the judge or superego which points at us when we do something immoral and something wrong, it is also the judge which convicts us to lead us to accept the HS as the third personality of God as christians.
================ this is so true.... conscience is what drives a mistress to end an affair with a married man...it is the Holy Spirit that helps her to keep herself away from that affair...
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 1:44:19 GMT 10
IT IS THE CONSCIENCE.. conscience is the voice within which gives us guilt when doing wrong..therefore it is the judge or superego which points at us when we do something immoral and something wrong, it is also the judge which convicts us to lead us to accept the HS as the third personality of God as christians. ================ this is so true.... conscience is what drives a mistress to end an affair with a married man...it is the Holy Spirit that helps her to keep herself away from that affair... ================
totoo yan ruth agree, kaya nga ang conscience which is the small voice within which gives us guilt when we do something wrong is belieed by others to be the voice of God..kc we are created in the image of God and parts of us are from God, His image.
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 1:46:09 GMT 10
singit lang po...The Holy Spirit is different from our spirit..(as in mind,body and spirit).. but Jehova's witnesses believe that we do not have sprits...bodies and minds lang...
so if we donot have spirits, how do they define that immaterial thing called psyche in man?
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 1:47:36 GMT 10
Joel 2:28 28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions
=====kahit sa Old Testament nababanggit na ang Holy Spirit =========
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 1:48:09 GMT 10
i was wondering what is the difference between a soul and a spirit? and if a souland/or spirit exists where does it reside?
hindi ba sa isip? (mind ) therefore the mind can be defined as the seat of the soul and /or the spirit
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 1:52:35 GMT 10
in christian theology
the soul grieves, in the book of revelations those who were murdered unjustly will be seeking justice before God, their souls
the Holy spirit also has the character of grieving...
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 1:55:41 GMT 10
totoo yan ruth agree, kaya nga ang conscience which is the small voice within which gives us guilt when we do something wrong is belieed by others to be the voice of God..kc we are created in the image of God and parts of us are from God, His image.
linsi, conscience...instinct...intuition...all part of human nature... instinct/intuition is what girls feel about a suitor/boyfriend na unsuitable for marriage...discernment is a gift from the Holy Spirit which will allow us to act upon the dictates of our conscience, instinct..intuition ..in a Godly way.. Satan and his cohorts use the same conscience..instinct intuition to drive us to choose the wrong option or put as in a bad situation which leads us to sin...
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 2:11:17 GMT 10
Satan and his cohorts use the same conscience..instinct intuition to drive us to choose the wrong option or put as in a bad situation which leads us to sin
ruth
the mind has the id, ego and super ego as freud states
to give an example:
id- gusto ko ng sex (pleasure principle po, or nagugutom ako-)
ego- pwede meron ditong babae ( mediator between id and super ego- )
super ego= psst hindi dapat, bawal yan dahil may asawa ka..(it is the judge or regulations)
therefore the super ego is the conscience which dictates us to do what is only right, as a matter of fact some theories states that it is the voice of God....therefore the conscience cannot do what is wrong, dahil yung mga gumagawa ng mali lalo at karumaldumal na gawain ay mga taong walang konsensya or patay ang konsensya..
where could satan's dictates be?
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 2:41:17 GMT 10
Satan and his cohorts use the same conscience..instinct intuition to drive us to choose the wrong option or put as in a bad situation which leads us to sin
ruth
the mind has the id, ego and super ego as freud states
to give an example:
id- gusto ko ng sex (pleasure principle po, or nagugutom ako-)
ego- pwede meron ditong babae ( mediator between id and super ego- )
super ego= psst hindi dapat, bawal yan dahil may asawa ka..(it is the judge or regulations)
therefore the super ego is the conscience which dictates us to do what is only right, as a matter of fact some theories states that it is the voice of God....therefore the conscience cannot do what is wrong, dahil yung mga gumagawa ng mali lalo at karumaldumal na gawain ay mga taong walang konsensya or patay ang konsensya..
where could satan's dictates be?
kaya ko nasabi conscience/instinct/intuition is being used by Satan also...kasi ganito..take this scenario.. si babae nasa marrying age na..and her parents are pressuring her about getting married and having kids na... si babae ayaw naman manligaw sa lalaki para lang makapagasawa na dahil marrying age na... (dapat lalaki manligaw di ba--yan ang sabi ng conscience)...so she prayed for a suitor...may dumating nga 3 pa yung isa very persisitent...kaya naisip ni babae..siguro ito na sagot sa prayers ko...but could this really be an answer to a prayer or Satan's deciet? dictate?
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 2:43:49 GMT 10
When we look to others instead of God as our source whether it’s for our daily needs, a job, companionship, etc., we will be open to greater temptation. Because we are in need, we will compromise our integrity, morals, and our relationship with God to receive from them rather than receiving from God through them. Our hearts must be established that God is our source. Walk in Him and He will provide through people.
nabasa ko lang po ito..copy & paste kasi medyo relevant..
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Post by linsi on Apr 28, 2006 2:48:42 GMT 10
yung isa very persisitent...kaya naisip ni babae..siguro ito na sagot sa prayers ko...but could this really be an answer to a prayer or Satan's deciet? dictate?
ruth
cguro dapat na taung matulog at late na haha jok lang ha..
cge balikan natin.. conscience is the judge which dictates us to do what is right therefore ende pede si satan..
it is also the one which gives us guilt whenever we do wrong.. so ende ulet pede si satan.. walang konsesya yan eh.. look alam niyang sa darating na panahon sa battle of armaggedon, matatalo siya pero cge pa ren sya at nanghahatak pa ha, therefore wala siyang moral judgment..
cguro ang tanong mo is wether the manifestations for the prayer of this girl are answers at ang tanong kay satan ba galing or not? sa Diyos ba galing or not?
ang sagot po dyan biblically
and you shall know them by their fruits.. matthew 7:16
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 2:54:41 GMT 10
our integrity, morals may be dictated by our relationship with God or by our conscience..
our decision making process (right from wrong, good or bad) is guided by our instincts and intuitions...but what makes us act upon those decisions ..is based on the above (relationship with God by those who do have a relationship with him or by conscience by those who do not)
gulo yata...ahehe
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Post by ruth on Apr 28, 2006 2:56:24 GMT 10
oo nga 2log muna lolz
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Post by migy on Apr 29, 2006 18:12:07 GMT 10
Ganda po nito... Therefore we cannot assume that there will be no works of the Holy Spirit if there are no conscience applied to. Thus Concluding to conscience can be found also to non-believers... Sige po tuloy lang, sarap pong magbasa... nice exchanges, ruth, linds, empire and Hi nice thread starter servant...
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Post by linsi on Apr 30, 2006 0:14:28 GMT 10
Ganda po nito... Therefore we cannot assume that there will be no works of the Holy Spirit if there are no conscience applied to. Thus Concluding to conscience can be found also to non-believers... Sige po tuloy lang, sarap pong magbasa... nice exchanges, ruth, linds, empire and Hi nice thread starter servant...
korek
if we believe that God is the source of all good and all true. the conscience is the judge which dictates us to do what is good and what is right therefore conscience is the voice of God.
if the conscience gives us guilt when we do something wrong then it is the voice of God.
if evil men can give good gifts, what drives them to do give what is good is their conscience because it dictates them to do what is good.
if we believe that all men are created in God's image therefore all men are given conscience which is the voice of God.
To those who do what is evil, the conscience is dead at the time he does the evil act, therefore they did not respond to the call of their conscience..
kaya nga may tinatawag na "WALANG KONSENSYA" dun sa mga pumatay, nang rape.. sinasabing nagdilim ang isip at nawalan ng konsensya...
dun sa mga na gi-guilty sinasabing " nakokonsensya ako"
therefore the conscience is the seat of the judge which dictates us to do what is right and what is good.
Lahat po ng tao ay may konsensya , nasa sa atin po kung papakinggan natin ang ating konsensya..
pag nakinig tayo sa ating konsensya ibig sabihin tinatanggap natin ang katuruan ng Diyos bilang kristyano
at sa mga pagans pag nakinig sila sa kanilang konsensya ibig sabihin tinatanggap nilang gumawa ng mabuti.
ibang topics po ang salvation
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Post by linsi on Apr 30, 2006 0:23:27 GMT 10
from ruth this is so true.... conscience is what drives a mistress to end an affair with a married man...it is the Holy Spirit that helps her to keep herself away from that affair...
korek Basta nagdikta ng tama, at mabuti at makatwiran yun ang boses ng Diyos. At kailangan may lalagyan ang tao para marinig ang boses ng Diyos at ito ay ang konsensya..bakit nagi-guilty? dahil malakas ang sagap sa konsensya, pinapakinggan ang konsensya.. pinapakinggan ang boses ng katwiran
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Post by linsi on Apr 30, 2006 0:26:16 GMT 10
uulitin ko po agree ako kay sir empire, ang standard ng konsensya ng isang kristiyano ay ang Holy Spirit..
ang standard ng mga pagano ay ang konsensya dahil hindi nila kilala ang Holy Spirit ...therefore lahat ay dumadaan sa konsensya..
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Post by hottyfecehh on Apr 30, 2006 0:49:34 GMT 10
ganda ng paliwanags.... Siguro ang iba di lang alam na ang Diyos ay nakikiusap na at yun ay ang kanilang konsensya... Maybe some of the non-christians call it as konsensya pero sa mga nakakarinig ng scriptures at nakakaunawa, masasabi nating yun ay ang HOly Spirit...
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Post by ruth on Apr 30, 2006 0:55:53 GMT 10
linsi,
nabanggit mo na ibang isyu pa ang salvation...actually napagusapan na ito sa ibang forums dati ..pero masarap uli pagusapan..
if someone live their lives for their fellowmen..without knowing Christ or without being Christians..dahil sa dikta lang ng conscience do they have the chance to be saved?
naniniwala ako na may awa ng Dyos, na binbigyan Nya ang lahat ng equal opportunity ma-save..Christian man o pagan.. and He does this through the works of the Holy Spirit..
tama ba?
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Post by linsi on Apr 30, 2006 0:58:32 GMT 10
korek sis
kaya yung attribute ng diyos na omnipresent? yung nasa sa lahat siya ng dako at bagay at nasa sa lahat siya ng kanyang mga nilikha at nilalang? totoo po yunh..
kaso nga lang ang tao ay may free choice at marami ang ayaw tumanggap sa Holy Spirit
but because God loves us all so well, laging naghihintay at laging nangungusap ang konsensya para tayo ay maghanap ng katwiran at gumawa ng mabuti...
nagi guilty tayo pag nakagawa tayo ng mali dahil merong DIYOS NA MAKAPANGYARIHAN NA NANGUNGUSAP SA PUSO AT ISIP
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Post by hottyfecehh on Apr 30, 2006 1:10:13 GMT 10
Amen po.. Agree!
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