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Post by ruth on Jun 19, 2006 16:03:34 GMT 10
Bakit ngayon wala ng physical manifestations ng power ni God to command nature, to raise the dead, to bring food na di nauubos...thru a prophet?
Kung wala ng physical manifestations..how does God manifest His power to us?
Why do we need to see His power manifested to us? Isnt it enough to know that He is God? Why do we need to witness these manifestations?
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Post by ruth on Jun 19, 2006 17:19:41 GMT 10
may soul ba ang mga animals?
may spirit ba ang mga animals?
what makes us different from animals?
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 19, 2006 17:34:21 GMT 10
Job 33:4
"The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life."
Reinforces the Genesis 2:7 statement that breath is the place where God acknowledges His creation as being alive.
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 19, 2006 17:38:28 GMT 10
Ezekiel 37:5-10
(5) "Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you and you shall live…"
(6) "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live;"
(9) "... Come from the four winds O breath and breathe into these slain that they may live"
(10) "... and the breath came into them and they lived and stood up upon their feet…"
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Post by supremo on Jun 20, 2006 5:16:32 GMT 10
Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life."Reinforces the Genesis 2:7 statement that breath is the place where God acknowledges His creation as being alive. Again hotty, hindi tayo nagtatalo sa breath of God, ang pinaguusapan natin ay soul=spirit...which is not the case. Job 33:4 suggest the distinctiveness of the two.....the spirit of God that made me..... AND (not OR) the breath of the Almighty has given me life.
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Post by supremo on Jun 20, 2006 5:21:19 GMT 10
Ezekiel 37:5-10 (5) "Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you and you shall live…" (6) "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live;" (9) "... Come from the four winds O breath and breathe into these slain that they may live" (10) "... and the breath came into them and they lived and stood up upon their feet…" again and again, soul is not equal spirit.......di ko makita sa mga verses na ito that spirit=soul...ang nakikita ko is soul=life=nephesh
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Post by supremo on Jun 20, 2006 5:29:15 GMT 10
Sa Revelations, may nabasa ako na verse that Jesus Christ will come again, with burning eyes,..on top of a mountain... am not sure tho if burning eyes/top of mountain (God showed Himself to Moses on a burning bush)...but Jesus in Revelations said He will show Himself with burning eyes..but not bush...also on top of a mountain.. hindi ito masyadong clear... but what is very clear is that Jesus Christ..the HOLY SPIRIT..once made MAN and came to earth...and will rule again for a Thousand Years...bago nya pupuksain ang evil once and for all. not sure tho if He will COME again to EAETH as MAN. Most biblical scholars believe he will come again as Man and will reign with us for a thousand years.......
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Post by supremo on Jun 20, 2006 5:49:44 GMT 10
ngayon naguguluhan na rin ako sa SOUL may SOUL ba si Jesus Christ? man has body, mind and soul daw...He can be SPIRITUAL thru Jesus Christ...does man have SPIRIT then? when one wants to break free from attachments to persons...we use a SPIRITUAL WARFARE...and ask the spirit of that man to leave a person...so ano differenc ng soul at spirit? ayayayya! John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Mark 15:39 "And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God Acts 5:5 "And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 12:23 "And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost. The expression "gave up the ghost" simply means "dying" and when someone dies, the soul leave the body....so above verse suggest that Jesus Christ have a soul
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Post by supremo on Jun 20, 2006 6:20:38 GMT 10
Bakit ngayon wala ng physical manifestations ng power ni God to command nature, to raise the dead, to bring food na di nauubos...thru a prophet? Kung wala ng physical manifestations..how does God manifest His power to us? Why do we need to see His power manifested to us? Isnt it enough to know that He is God? Why do we need to witness these manifestations? Tanong ko na din dati yan. Ika nga eh, mas madali mapaniwala ang tao pag may nakikitang kakaiba like miracles, instant healing, raising someone from the dead etc etc. I don't know the real reasons why God discontinue its use i.e. enabling his followers to do such feats. But i do understand that such feats are of no effect and use. Reason why? 1. Those feats have already been used during the old and new testament era and yet many still didn't believe in God till now. Moses through God's power parted the red sea and yet the israelites still disobeyed God. Jesus Christ heals the sick, raised the dead yet they still crucified him. His apostles do the same yet they were tortured and later put to death. 2. They will be abused (speaking of tounges etc...etc..) by men 3. The absence of those "feats" will reinforce more our faith in Him.
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Post by supremo on Jun 20, 2006 7:02:07 GMT 10
may soul ba ang mga animals? may spirit ba ang mga animals? what makes us different from animals? Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good" (KJV) Genesis 1:29-30 "And God said "Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yield seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth , wherein there is a living soul (nephesh in Hebrew) I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so." (NKJV-KJV) Looking at the above verse, it suggest animals have soul. But still this is a big question for me for this reason: Of all the creation of God, men is the only one where he directly "breath unto his nostrils the breath of life, and men became a living soul". If we apply nephesh=life, and not nephesh=soul on the given verse above, then lalabas na animals have life...not soul. Regarding spirit, definitely wala ang animals. Now kung i-a-apply natin na spirit=soul=life=nephesh, then ang animals may spirit din. I think confusion starts on proper usage of words. In original biblical language, nephesh refers to life or sometimes use as soul. Bakit kasi nephesh lang ang term nila, sana may term din sila sa soul at life
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Post by ruth on Jun 20, 2006 15:05:25 GMT 10
salamat supremo for taking time in the study and discussion of the word...
basa muna ako (seek first to understand)
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 20, 2006 15:32:25 GMT 10
Kung ang animals may soul, why ang tao hinipan pa din ng Diyos ang ilong to give man the life e ang mga hayop nabigyan ng buhay kahit na di NYA ito hinipan sa ilong?
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 16:40:39 GMT 10
hmmmm! oo nga naman. baka yung inihip sa ilong eh..yun ang spirit..kaya ang man merong physical, mental, emotional at spiritual needs.
sabi din ng flatmate ko na JW...wala daw spirit ang tao..Dyos lang daw ang me spirit. yun daw inihip sa ilong ng man ay LIFE lang daw yun. BUHAY at hindi spirit.
kapag daw namatay ang tao bago ang APOCALYPSE (o paghuhukom)...pupunta lang uli ito sa alikabok ...sa lupa...kung saan sya nanggaling..(wala daw Heaven or Hell at lalong walang Purgatory).
pag daw APOCALYPSE na lahat daw ng tao, including yung mga namatay at naging alikabok...magiging tao ulit...laman (Flesh) ulit...at manunumbalik daw ang earth sa dati nitong state (garden of Eden)...and lahat ng ligtas magkikita kita sa baong earth na yun.
so ayan...share ko lang yan ha? iba po kasi pagkakaintindi ko sa Revelations...kaya lang baka mapunta sa revelations ang usapan heheh
balik tayo sa spirit & soul
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 18:49:22 GMT 10
from ruth
na galing daw sa isang JW hehe
sabi din ng flatmate ko na JW...wala daw spirit ang tao..Dyos lang daw ang me spirit. yun daw inihip sa ilong ng man ay LIFE lang daw yun. BUHAY at hindi spirit.
hindi ko pa na aaral masyado ito but then merong spirit ang tao at ang life na sinasabi ay kawangis ng Diyos na immaterial thing na ginawa niya sa tao..at ibinigay sa tao bilang kawangis niya
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 18:52:16 GMT 10
kapag daw namatay ang tao bago ang APOCALYPSE (o paghuhukom)...pupunta lang uli ito sa alikabok ...sa lupa...kung saan sya nanggaling..(wala daw Heaven or Hell at lalong walang Purgatory).
ruth ang mga JW hindi gaya ng sa atin ang bibliya at mismong sila they donot profess they are christians talaga yan ang sinabi sa akin ni kenmikaze because his wife is a jehova's wirness
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 18:53:29 GMT 10
kapag daw namatay ang tao bago ang APOCALYPSE (o paghuhukom)...pupunta lang uli ito sa alikabok ...sa lupa...kung saan sya nanggaling..(wala daw Heaven or Hell at lalong walang Purgatory).
ruth ang mga JW hindi gaya ng sa atin ang bibliya at mismong sila they donot profess they are christians talaga yan ang sinabi sa akin ni kenmikaze because his wife is a jehova's witness
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 18:58:48 GMT 10
pag daw APOCALYPSE na lahat daw ng tao, including yung mga namatay at naging alikabok...magiging tao ulit...laman (Flesh) ulit...at manunumbalik daw ang earth sa dati nitong state (garden of Eden)...and lahat ng ligtas magkikita kita sa baong earth na yun.
anong ibig sabihin nila ng magiging tao ulet? manunumbalik sa earth sa dating state? so therefore pag sinabing dating state, dating corruptible state and that is wrong, all those who were in christ at nakarating sa glory their bodies will be glorified like what happened to christ, it will be changed into a glorious one..
after death apostle paul stated about the glory of heaven
at ang sinasabing apocalypse ng mga JW ay iba ang kanilang interpretations dhail ang kanilang sinusunod ay watch tower.
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Post by linsi on Jun 21, 2006 19:02:24 GMT 10
Kung ang animals may soul, why ang tao hinipan pa din ng Diyos ang ilong to give man the life e ang mga hayop nabigyan ng buhay kahit na di NYA ito hinipan sa ilong?
magandang tanong hotty
i hope supremo could shed lights into this at bakit nawawala si kuya banshik hmmmm
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 19:55:29 GMT 10
pag daw APOCALYPSE na lahat daw ng tao, including yung mga namatay at naging alikabok...magiging tao ulit...laman (Flesh) ulit...at manunumbalik daw ang earth sa dati nitong state (garden of Eden)...and lahat ng ligtas magkikita kita sa baong earth na yun.
anong ibig sabihin nila ng magiging tao ulet? manunumbalik sa earth sa dating state? so therefore pag sinabing dating state, dating corruptible state and that is wrong, all those who were in christ at nakarating sa glory their bodies will be glorified like what happened to christ, it will be changed into a glorious one..
after death apostle paul stated about the glory of heaven
at ang sinasabing apocalypse ng mga JW ay iba ang kanilang interpretations dhail ang kanilang sinusunod ay watch tower.
wehehhe...pagusapan natin sa thread na Salvation linsi...papagalitan tayo ni hotty...this thread is about Spirit and Soul
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:21:21 GMT 10
hotty,,
ang heart daw ay combination ng soul at spirit...
meron din nabanggit about the EGO...na binaggit din ni linsi about conscience...
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:25:36 GMT 10
the E = represents the EGO or the FLESH the + = or cross represents CHRIST... the throne = represents Human Will before conversion daw...the ego takes the throne after conversion the cross takes over the throne
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:28:20 GMT 10
THE SPIRIT OF GOD PENETRATES THE HUMAN SPIRIT: EGO IS DETHR0NED notice the difference between the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) at ng Human Spirit
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:29:16 GMT 10
THE HOLY SPIRIT INVADES AREAS OF THE SOUL Ü = THE LORDSHIP OF CHRIST E = EGO, OR FLESH, IN CONTROL
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:30:27 GMT 10
Note in this illustration that at the conversion of the individual, the Spirit of God penetrates the human spirit, dethrones the Ego (or the flesh), and replaces it with the Cross, depicting the life of Jesus. But that is only within the human spirit. The soul is still under the control of the flesh and remains so until the Spirit successively invades each area or relationship and establishes the Lordship of Jesus within. This is important to understand: There is a throne in every area of the human soul! The question of Lordship is fought out anew in each area, as indicated in the illustration...
kaya siguro parang nasasabi natin na...ibinenta na ang SOUL kay SataNAS...hehehe...kasi there is a question of Lordship being fought in each area of our SOUL...
so if the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) can invade each area then it is also possible that evil spirits can invade each area, di ba?
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:38:37 GMT 10
kaya pala lagi sinasabi ni Linsi dati sa RF...there is a battle between the SPIRIT and the FLESH.
minsan SPIRIT driven tayo in one area of our life...and yet flesh driven in another area...kasi yung SOUL natin is still being controlled by the flesh..
for example ...nakikita mo dun sa SEX LIFE...yung E nasa throne pa rin...that means our human will still in control by the FLESH...
tapos tingnan mo yung church life...yung + sign nasa throne na...that means under the control of the Spirit of God... na..but it is only within the human spirit...
our SOUL is still under control by the FLESH...unless all areas are being controlled by the Spirit of God...
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Post by ruth on Jun 21, 2006 22:46:03 GMT 10
if the human spirit can be invaded by the Holy Spirit at a given time, or by the flesh or by Satan kaya..then for sure there will be UPs and Downs in the spiritual life of a Christian, tama po ba?
but does it mean we cannot gain victory over the flesh and evil spirits???
i think not! in fact the battle is being won
But how encouraging to know that the Spirit will never give up the battle. He seeks in a thousand ways to invade each separate relationship of the soul, and gradually He is doing so--sometimes faster, as we yield to him; sometimes very slowly, as we resist and cling to our veils. The more we work and live with the face of Jesus clearly in view, the more quickly we find each area of our life being changed into His likeness. We cannot do that work. It is, as Paul says, all "from the Lord who is the Spirit." He will never cease the work he has begun.
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Post by supremo on Jun 22, 2006 8:20:22 GMT 10
Kung ang animals may soul, why ang tao hinipan pa din ng Diyos ang ilong to give man the life e ang mga hayop nabigyan ng buhay kahit na di NYA ito hinipan sa ilong?
magandang tanong hotty
i hope supremo could shed lights into this at bakit nawawala si kuya banshik hmmmmIll re-post my answer: Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good" (KJV) Genesis 1:29-30 "And God said "Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yield seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth , wherein there is a living soul (nephesh in Hebrew) I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so." (NKJV-KJV) Looking at the above verse, it suggest animals have soul. But still this is a big question for me for this reason: Of all the creation of God, men is the only one where he directly "breath unto his nostrils the breath of life, and men became a living soul".
If we apply nephesh=life, and not nephesh=soul on the given verse above, then lalabas na animals have life...not soul.
Regarding spirit, definitely wala ang animals. Now kung i-a-apply natin na spirit=soul=life=nephesh, then ang animals may spirit din.
I think confusion starts on proper usage of words. In original biblical language, nephesh refers to life or sometimes use as soul. Bakit kasi nephesh lang ang term nila, sana may term din sila sa soul at life
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 22, 2006 14:29:18 GMT 10
pwede mabuhay na alang breath ni LORD kasi animals nga may soul e... Ano yung breath na yun? ano silbi nun? sige pag-isipan mo maigi friend...
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 22, 2006 14:36:09 GMT 10
panong magkaka-spirit? di naman sila nahingahan sa ilong ni LORD... Bukod tangi ang tao lang...
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Post by ruth on Jun 22, 2006 21:53:13 GMT 10
hmmmmm...probably yung inihip sa ilong ay spirit (not sure though kung human spirit o Spirit of God)...
it is also possible that animals will be envaded by spirits. remember nung may pinagaling si Jesus na sinaniban ng 7 demonic spirit? natakot yung demonic spirits...at ang sabi kay Jesus, please do not throw us into the abyss...but let us dwell among the swine at the edge of the field..
meaning sinaniban ng 7 demonic spirits yung mga swine (hayop)...then saka tumalon ang mga hayop na ito sa sea...
hmmmm...eh teka bakit ba kahayupan napapagusapan? ahehehe
human spirit & human soul muna tayo...
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