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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 23, 2006 14:22:09 GMT 10
hmmmmm...probably yung inihip sa ilong ay spirit (not sure though kung human spirit o Spirit of God)... it is also possible that animals will be envaded by spirits. remember nung may pinagaling si Jesus na sinaniban ng 7 demonic spirit? natakot yung demonic spirits...at ang sabi kay Jesus, please do not throw us into the abyss...but let us dwell among the swine at the edge of the field.. meaning sinaniban ng 7 demonic spirits yung mga swine (hayop)...then saka tumalon ang mga hayop na ito sa sea... hmmmm...eh teka bakit ba kahayupan napapagusapan? ahehehe human spirit & human soul muna tayo... Ang mga animals pede sapian ng spirits Ruth... Pero kasi upon creation tayo....
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 24, 2006 1:16:20 GMT 10
Remember the serpent? Ginamit ni satan para linlangin ang tao... Pero upon creation, wala talaga sila spirit...
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 24, 2006 1:20:32 GMT 10
hotty,, ang heart daw ay combination ng soul at spirit... meron din nabanggit about the EGO...na binaggit din ni linsi about conscience... Love GOD with all your heart and soul.... Panong naging combination ng soul at spirit ang heart?
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Post by bangzhik101 on Jun 26, 2006 12:24:58 GMT 10
Hi Guys,
Lahat ng tao ay may "soul"... Ito ang nagbibigay sa atin ng "pagkatao" - tao tayo dahil meron tayong soul.
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 26, 2006 17:43:47 GMT 10
Tama kuyang...But what made the MAN A LIVING SOUL? Di ba't nang dahil sa breathing ni LORD? Yung animals nagka-soul di naman sila tao...
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Post by ruth on Jun 26, 2006 19:27:17 GMT 10
galing naman ni hotty...
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Post by bangzhik101 on Jun 26, 2006 20:17:20 GMT 10
Hi Hotty,
Walang souls and animal...tao lang. In fact, Christ died for men not other beings (animals). Otherwise, pati ang gospel para sa kanila din.
Medyo literal ang intepretasyon natin ng "living spirit" which God imparted to man. But in my opinion spirit here meant not the soul but the essence (image of God) which was imparted to God in order to give Man life. So iba pa rin...
Dahil RCC ka din...hope you read the treatise of souls by St. Thomas Aquinas. Kung hindi ma gets dahil malalim I can email you a place to get doctrinal studies for free.
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 28, 2006 20:26:40 GMT 10
Nasan na ba si supremo at sya ang nagsimulang magsabing may soul ang animals.... Supremo yuhooooooo... sagutin mo ang post ni Kuya banshik...
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jun 28, 2006 20:33:55 GMT 10
E kuyang tanong ko lang.... Bakit namamatay ang mga hayop? katulad natin ay namamatay din sila? bakit hindi na lang forever silang mabubuhay e ang curse ay nasa tao lang naman na mamamatay?
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Post by bangzhik101 on Jun 29, 2006 18:20:48 GMT 10
Hi Hotty,
Namamatay ang mga hayop dahil ginawa sila ng Diyos under the dominion of man and the world. Hindi din binigyan ng Diyos nag mga hayop ng special graces that would give them eternal life or the promise of salvation.
Ang mga hayop, hindi din ginawa ng Diyos under His own image - kaya walang souls. In fact, Jesus Christ only died for man not for the animals.
"Curse"...I believe it would be best to be called an "absence of grace". Dahil nagkasala si Adan at si Eba, yung grasya na nagbibigay panghabang buhay ay nawala sa tao (absence of grace". AT dahil wala itong grasya na ito sa kanila - ang mga anak nila at ang mga sumonod dito ay wala rin maipamana na grasya.
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Post by linsi on Jun 29, 2006 21:31:16 GMT 10
kuya banshik
yung absence of grace na sinasabi mo ay hindi ibig sabihin nawala yung grace.
ang grace ay ever present kaya nga yung ibang hindi pa mananampalataya ay may "grace period" na tinatawag, yung period na makakilala sila sa Diyos.
ang grace ay maiukukumpara sa araw, ito ay laging may sikat, pero pag natakpan ng ulap, nawawala yung init at liwanag pero nandun pa rin ang araw sa kabila ng ulap, hindi nawawala
at kapag umikot ang mundo yung araw nawawala rin dahil gumabi na in the sense na nagbago lang ng position pero nandun pa rin yung araw..
why can we not accept terms which are more biblically supported than our church doctrines?
the reason why the gospel is preached because grace is ever present.
when we sin, we ourselves hid from grace, grace was not withdrawn ever.
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Post by bangzhik101 on Jul 3, 2006 14:35:49 GMT 10
kuya banshik
yung absence of grace na sinasabi mo ay hindi ibig sabihin nawala yung grace.
ang grace ay ever present kaya nga yung ibang hindi pa mananampalataya ay may "grace period" na tinatawag, yung period na makakilala sila sa Diyos.
ang grace ay maiukukumpara sa araw, ito ay laging may sikat, pero pag natakpan ng ulap, nawawala yung init at liwanag pero nandun pa rin ang araw sa kabila ng ulap, hindi nawawala
Hi Linsi,
Hindi nawala ang pagiging anak ng Diyos ng Tao. Pero malinaw na kung ang grasya ay "absent" ito ay wala. Kaya nga kailangan ibalik ni Kristo.
Besides, during the fall, Adam and Eve both knew and comprehend who God is... so there is basis at all to say that a temporary "grace period" until ackowledgement returns this "grace" you claimed was never lost.
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Post by bangzhik101 on Jul 3, 2006 14:37:37 GMT 10
FYI.
"Sanctifying Grace" or the grace that allows man in union with God was lost. The grace of faith of man was never lost, but the grace which allows him in union with God was...because man looses this (sactifying) Grace if he is in a state of sin.
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Post by supremo on Jul 5, 2006 3:49:01 GMT 10
Nasan na ba si supremo at sya ang nagsimulang magsabing may soul ang animals.... Supremo yuhooooooo... sagutin mo ang post ni Kuya banshik... Ngek...wala akong sinabing may soul ang animal.....di mo na gets post ko eh.....it so happen that nephesh is use on those verses na pwedeng meaning ay soul.....or if you take its meaning as "life"....then animals have life...not soul......
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Post by supremo on Jul 5, 2006 5:51:17 GMT 10
Himay-himayin natin... And the LORD (y@hova) God(elohym) formed (yatsar) man (adam) of the dust (aphar) of (min) the ground (adamah), and breathed (naphach) into his nostrils (aph) the breath (n@shamah) of life (chay); and man (adam) became a living (chay) soul (nephesh). Soul=nephesh life=chay living soul=chay nephesh And the LORD (y@hovah) said (amar), My spirit (ruwach) shall not always (owlam) strive (diyn) with man (adam), for that he also (gam) is flesh (basar shagag): yet his days (yowm) shall be an hundred (me'ah) and twenty ('esriym) years (shaneh). Spirit=ruwach And God (elohym) said ('amar), Let the waters (mayim) bring forth abundantly (sharats)the moving creature (sherets) that hath (nephesh) life (chay),and fowl ('owph) that may fly ('uwph) above ('al) the earth ('erets) in the open (paniym) firmament (raqiya) of heaven (shamayim). And God (elohym) created (bara')great (gadowl) whales(tanniyn), and every living (chay) creature (nephesh) that moveth (ramas), which the waters (mayim) brought forth abundantly (sharats),after their kind (miyn), and every winged (kanaph) fowl (owph) after his kind (myin): and God (elohym) saw (ra'ah) that it was good (towb). moving creatures=sherets living creatures=chay nephesh chay nephesh can be refered to as "living soul"...or "living creatures".....or wag na nating pahirapan ang ating sarili....sa tagalog...anything na buhay...tao man o hayop.... pero hindi ibig sabihin nun ay may "soul" ang hayop...it just so happen na alang appropriate hebrew word sa "living creature" kaya "chay nephesh" din ang ginamit gaya ng sa "living soul" na para naman sa tao..... Again magkaiba ang spirit sa soul....ang spirit paginalis ng diyos sa tao...buhay pa din...pero ang soul pag nawala...patay ka na.... Now regarding sa question ni mam hotty, bakit ang hayop di na hinihingahan ng diyos pero may buhay....remember lazarus...when he rose from the dead, did Jesus breath into his nostrils the breath of life to become a living soul? (read John 11). Jesus Christ is the Word, he is the resurection and the source of life...he doesn't need to breath into our nostrils in order for us (and the animals) to have life. Genesis acccount (Gen 2:7) only shows how special human beings are made by God, because we are made in the image of God, which is a spirit.
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Post by supremo on Jul 5, 2006 6:25:59 GMT 10
Thus adam and eve is both human beings (flesh) and a spiritual being before the fall. But that image of God died when they commit sin. Therefore, man cannot come directly to God. But God loves us and he wants to save us. He wants his image to return to us, therefore He gave us his Son born in the image of man!! Why?? because we cannot come to God directly, so He is the one who come to us.
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Post by supremo on Jul 5, 2006 6:45:28 GMT 10
Now, since we have Christ as a raw model of what God really wants us to be, he's only requirement is for us to have faith and believe on his Son (God is really a God of love coz he still didn't supress our free will). To complete his plan, He gave us a Comforter...the Holy Spirit. Thus man can come boldly to the throne of God.
"For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found." (Luke 15:24)
Now we past from spiritual death to spiritual life..."Born again" in the image of God...............
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 5, 2006 16:12:46 GMT 10
Nasan na ba si supremo at sya ang nagsimulang magsabing may soul ang animals.... Supremo yuhooooooo... sagutin mo ang post ni Kuya banshik... Ngek...wala akong sinabing may soul ang animal.....di mo na gets post ko eh.....it so happen that nephesh is use on those verses na pwedeng meaning ay soul.....or if you take its meaning as "life"....then animals have life...not soul...... Ur reply # 56.... Ill re-post my answer: Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good" (KJV) Genesis 1:29-30 "And God said "Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yield seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth , wherein there is a living soul (nephesh in Hebrew) I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so." (NKJV-KJV) [red]Looking at the above verse, it suggest animals have soul. But still this is a big question for me for this reason: Of all the creation of God, men is the only one where he directly "breath unto his nostrils the breath of life, and men became a living soul". If we apply nephesh=life, and not nephesh=soul on the given verse above, then lalabas na animals have life...not soul. Regarding spirit, definitely wala ang animals. Now kung i-a-apply natin na spirit=soul=life=nephesh, then ang animals may spirit din. I think confusion starts on proper usage of words. In original biblical language, nephesh refers to life or sometimes use as soul. Bakit kasi nephesh lang ang term nila, sana may term din sila sa soul at life [/red]
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 5, 2006 16:15:41 GMT 10
Nasan na ba si supremo at sya ang nagsimulang magsabing may soul ang animals.... Supremo yuhooooooo... sagutin mo ang post ni Kuya banshik... Ngek...wala akong sinabing may soul ang animal.....di mo na gets post ko eh.....it so happen that nephesh is use on those verses na pwedeng meaning ay soul.....or if you take its meaning as "life"....then animals have life...not soul...... so u can't support nephesh as life or soul? why say it so here kung di yun ang paniniwala mo sa verses na pinost? waaaaaaaa... anggulo ng buhok ko....
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 5, 2006 16:20:02 GMT 10
Upon creation po tayo....
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 5, 2006 16:28:05 GMT 10
Hi Hotty, Namamatay ang mga hayop dahil ginawa sila ng Diyos under the dominion of man and the world. Hindi din binigyan ng Diyos nag mga hayop ng special graces that would give them eternal life or the promise of salvation. Ang mga hayop, hindi din ginawa ng Diyos under His own image - kaya walang souls. In fact, Jesus Christ only died for man not for the animals. "Curse"...I believe it would be best to be called an "absence of grace". Dahil nagkasala si Adan at si Eba, yung grasya na nagbibigay panghabang buhay ay nawala sa tao (absence of grace". AT dahil wala itong grasya na ito sa kanila - ang mga anak nila at ang mga sumonod dito ay wala rin maipamana na grasya. why abasence of grace? stated as curse sa bible kuyang...
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Post by supremo on Jul 6, 2006 0:57:02 GMT 10
see italics.....i don't buy animals have soul...... Ngek...wala akong sinabing may soul ang animal.....di mo na gets post ko eh.....it so happen that nephesh is use on those verses na pwedeng meaning ay soul.....or if you take its meaning as "life"....then animals have life...not soul...... Ur reply # 56.... Ill re-post my answer: Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good" (KJV) Genesis 1:29-30 "And God said "Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yield seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth , wherein there is a living soul (nephesh in Hebrew) I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so." (NKJV-KJV) [red]Looking at the above verse, it suggest animals have soul. But still this is a big question for me for this reason: Of all the creation of God, men is the only one where he directly "breath unto his nostrils the breath of life, and men became a living soul". If we apply nephesh=life, and not nephesh=soul on the given verse above, then lalabas na animals have life...not soul.Regarding spirit, definitely wala ang animals. Now kung i-a-apply natin na spirit=soul=life=nephesh, then ang animals may spirit din. I think confusion starts on proper usage of words. In original biblical language, nephesh refers to life or sometimes use as soul. Bakit kasi nephesh lang ang term nila, sana may term din sila sa soul at life [/red]
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Post by supremo on Jul 6, 2006 1:04:54 GMT 10
Ngek...wala akong sinabing may soul ang animal.....di mo na gets post ko eh.....it so happen that nephesh is use on those verses na pwedeng meaning ay soul.....or if you take its meaning as "life"....then animals have life...not soul...... so u can't support nephesh as life or soul? why say it so here kung di yun ang paniniwala mo sa verses na pinost? waaaaaaaa... anggulo ng buhok ko.... hehehe....ewan ko..parang di tayo magkonek dalawa...kaya nga may B U T yung post ko eh.... Regarding nephesh...depende sa usage nga iha...kaya nga may BUT ang post ko dun..if you apply nephesh as soul...yung hayop may soul...BUT if you apply nephesh as life, then the verse just plainly say animals have life...GET MO NA? Hindi tayo magcommunicate...di ko alam kung ako ala load o ikaw....anyway, my stand is this..ANIMALS HAVE NO SOUL........kasi kung meron...naku may multo na hayop!!! yari tayo sa mga hayop, isda, baboy, baka na kinakatay natin at kinakain...MUMULTUHIN TAYO NUN!!!
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 6, 2006 15:12:32 GMT 10
Dito ako nag-concentrate friend sa reply mong to... [red] Looking at the above verse, it suggest animals have soul. But still this is a big question for me for this reason: Of all the creation of God, men is the only one where he directly "breath unto his nostrils the breath of life, and men became a living soul[/red] and tanong ko nga...[blue]Kung ang animals may soul, why ang tao hinipan pa din ng Diyos ang ilong to give man the life e ang mga hayop nabigyan ng buhay kahit na di NYA ito hinipan sa ilong? [/blue]] and ano to? [red]Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good"[/red] lahat ng living/moving creature u put open parenthesis nephesh comma then soul and then close parenthesis? based lang naman ako sa mga postings mo e.... ayos ba?
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Post by supremo on Jul 6, 2006 22:08:27 GMT 10
and tanong ko nga...Kung ang animals may soul, why ang tao hinipan pa din ng Diyos ang ilong to give man the life e ang mga hayop nabigyan ng buhay kahit na di NYA ito hinipan sa ilong? ANSWER: Now regarding sa question ni mam hotty, bakit ang hayop di na hinihingahan ng diyos pero may buhay....remember lazarus...when he rose from the dead, did Jesus breath into his nostrils the breath of life to become a living soul? (read John 11). Jesus Christ is the Word, he is the resurection and the source of life...he doesn't need to breath into our nostrils in order for us (and the animals) to have life. Genesis acccount (Gen 2:7) only shows how special human beings are made by God, because we are made in the image of God, which is a spirit.
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Post by supremo on Jul 6, 2006 22:13:18 GMT 10
and ano to? Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good" lahat ng living/moving creature u put open parenthesis nephesh comma then soul and then close parenthesis? based lang naman ako sa mga postings mo e.... ayos ba? MY REPLY: Ayun...yan admit ko. Dyan tayo di nagkaintindihan, coz i forget to input LIFE sa loob ng parenthesis kaya na conclude mo na naniniwala ako sa hayop may soul...coz i emphasize sa loob ng parenthesis....MY MISTAKE...SOWWY!!!!!!
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Post by violet on Jul 7, 2006 16:37:43 GMT 10
gusto ko na atang malito wahhhh
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 7, 2006 16:56:01 GMT 10
Sis ... anyway, what's important to us lang naman is, di tayo nalilito sa FAITH natin... medyo nagkakarun disagreements or errors with postings pero tuloy lang... Erroneous(tama ba spelling? ) talaga ang tao... Ganun talaga... nasa proseso tayo of learning God's words ... At least natutuwa si LORD sa eagerness nating matuto... Supremo, sulong lang kapatid....
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 8, 2006 0:43:01 GMT 10
and tanong ko nga...Kung ang animals may soul, why ang tao hinipan pa din ng Diyos ang ilong to give man the life e ang mga hayop nabigyan ng buhay kahit na di NYA ito hinipan sa ilong? ANSWER: Now regarding sa question ni mam hotty, bakit ang hayop di na hinihingahan ng diyos pero may buhay....remember lazarus...when he rose from the dead, did Jesus breath into his nostrils the breath of life to become a living soul? (read John 11). Jesus Christ is the Word, he is the resurection and the source of life...he doesn't need to breath into our nostrils in order for us (and the animals) to have life.
[blue]tama pero bago dumating si lazarus ay si adam at eve muna... Let's focus na lang sa creation...Upon creation tayo... Kasi ang mga hayop walang inihip si Almighty GOD diyan pero nagkabuhay...Bakit sa tao iba ang ginawa NYA? [/blue]
[red]Genesis acccount (Gen 2:7) only shows how special human beings are made by God, because we are made in the image of God, which is a spirit.[/red]
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Post by hottyfecehh on Jul 8, 2006 0:50:57 GMT 10
Special oo! kaya nga ido-dominion daw natin ang mga animals... Special ang reason kaya may ihip ihip pa.... so hanggang special lang tayo? everything ay ginawa nang dahil sa may purpose... so kung ang reason ay special lang... well....
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