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Post by rafael on Oct 10, 2006 3:18:10 GMT 10
Man is unique amongst each other. If capitalism is a sucker, then Shanghai, Beijing, and Chinese cities would have not entertained capitalists in each of their cities. Red Chinese would have not sent JJQ to American soil to study theistic doctrines in regards to economy. They would have changed Hong Kong's economic system. [/size][/color] [/quote]
when Vladimir Ilyich Lenin stated
the concentration of capital and the growth of their turnover is radically challenging the significance of the banks. Scattered capitalists are transformed into a single collective capitalist. When carrying the current accounts of a few capitalists, the banks, as it were, transact a purely technical and exclusively auxiliary operation. When, however, these operations grow to enormous dimensions we find that a handful of monopolists control all the operations, both commercial and industrial, of capitalist society. They can, by means of their banking connections
and Karl Marx stated My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.
You would see tyrants disguised as market researcher shepherding his flock in the ways of utility and comfort as Marshal Mc Luhan stated.
Did "God" teach about capitalism? If so, then let us examine your would be answers so that both of us will learn. No puns intended.
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Post by rafael on Oct 10, 2006 3:34:21 GMT 10
You can classify me under "healthy skepticism" one who prefers to be more as an enquirer and observer to that of bad atheism as others connote giving much thought to what makes others believe God and all about this God.
Atheists adhere to proofs before believing and so "research" is the acting mechanism.
If Darwinian evolution have many inconsistencies, perhaps we could agree that man himself is inconsistent wether he is an atheist or a theist.
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 13:02:59 GMT 10
Man is unique amongst each other. If capitalism is a sucker, then Shanghai, Beijing, and Chinese cities would have not entertained capitalists in each of their cities. Red Chinese would have not sent JJQ to American soil to study theistic doctrines in regards to economy. They would have changed Hong Kong's economic system.
when Vladimir Ilyich Lenin stated
the concentration of capital and the growth of their turnover is radically challenging the significance of the banks. Scattered capitalists are transformed into a single collective capitalist. When carrying the current accounts of a few capitalists, the banks, as it were, transact a purely technical and exclusively auxiliary operation. When, however, these operations grow to enormous dimensions we find that a handful of monopolists control all the operations, both commercial and industrial, of capitalist society. They can, by means of their banking connections
and Karl Marx stated My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.
You would see tyrants disguised as market researcher shepherding his flock in the ways of utility and comfort as Marshal Mc Luhan stated.
Did "God" teach about capitalism? If so, then let us examine your would be answers so that both of us will learn. No puns intended.
[green] Did God teach Capitalism? The answer to that is already given from your quote of Karl Marx and his main objective in life--to dethrone God and destroy capitalism. Those two things are posssible facts; whereas capitalism is true in its form. Therefore, God is also true basing from Karl Marx object in life.
Wherein such move by both Lenin and Marx to socialism occurs because of them thought that capitalism was doomed to fail. But what happened [/color][/size]
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 13:13:10 GMT 10
If Darwinian evolution have many inconsistencies, perhaps we could agree that man himself is inconsistent wether he is an atheist or a theist.
Are you now saying that atheists are not self-actualized and therefore the true nature of man is inherently evil because of inconsistencies
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Post by Always on Oct 10, 2006 13:28:38 GMT 10
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Post by rafael on Oct 11, 2006 3:55:33 GMT 10
[/color][/size][/quote] That is because theists as you earlier said believes in capitalism. When Karl Marx said dethrone God, it has a double meaning.
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Post by rafael on Oct 11, 2006 3:58:02 GMT 10
Wherein such move by both Lenin and Marx to socialism occurs because of them thought that capitalism was doomed to fail. But what happened [/color]
Yes, there was a succesful gap between the rich and the poor. the rich becomes richer and the poor becomes poorer.
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Post by rafael on Oct 11, 2006 4:08:00 GMT 10
If Darwinian evolution have many inconsistencies, perhaps we could agree that man himself is inconsistent wether he is an atheist or a theist.
Are you now saying that atheists are not self-actualized and therefore the true nature of man is inherently evil because of inconsistencies Again self actualization is defined upon humanism by atheists and skeptics. Inconsistensies will justify new deiscoveries and research affecting man and his nature, evil and good like morality is simply a social construct, what is good to one is not to another.
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Post by rafael on Oct 11, 2006 4:09:45 GMT 10
Let me quote Maslow
Self-Actualization Dr. Abraham Maslow coined the term “Self-Actualization” as the pinnacle in the hierarchy of human needs. Dr. Maslow summed up the concept as: "A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be. This is the need we may call self-actualization ... It refers to man's desire for fulfillment, namely to the tendency for him to become actually in what he is potentially: to become everything that one is capable of becoming ..."
obviously this is self explanatory.
From pages 127-128 of his 1987 book entitled Motivation and Personality, Maslow refers to a self-actualized person as to having in touch to his inherent goodness; and he even states that self actualization stresses full humanness, the development of the biologically based nature of man.
If that is self-explanatory, then how could one account the innateness in goodness of cannibalism To me, that is too far fetched
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I just replied above about the nature of good and evil which are both variable in societies.
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Post by Always on Oct 11, 2006 4:23:45 GMT 10
Wherein such move by both Lenin and Marx to socialism occurs because of them thought that capitalism was doomed to fail. But what happened
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Yes, there was a succesful gap between the rich and the poor. the rich becomes richer and the poor becomes poorer.
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And do you blame God for that Or would you rather believe on what Proverb 16:8 says; "Better a little with righteousness than much gain with injustice."
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Post by Always on Oct 11, 2006 4:29:57 GMT 10
If Darwinian evolution have many inconsistencies, perhaps we could agree that man himself is inconsistent wether he is an atheist or a theist.
Are you now saying that atheists are not self-actualized and therefore the true nature of man is inherently evil because of inconsistencies Again self actualization is defined upon humanism by atheists and skeptics. Inconsistensies will justify new deiscoveries and research affecting man and his nature, evil and good like morality is simply a social construct, what is good to one is not to another.
Self-Actualization is rightfully defined as to a person who is in touch with his inherent goodness as a need that can be attended to only after this individual has satisfied his lower needs--namely, physiological, safety, social and ego needs. This person must satisfy these needs before he can truly declare himself to be mentally healthy
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Post by Always on Oct 11, 2006 4:32:25 GMT 10
Let me quote Maslow
Self-Actualization Dr. Abraham Maslow coined the term “Self-Actualization” as the pinnacle in the hierarchy of human needs. Dr. Maslow summed up the concept as: "A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be. This is the need we may call self-actualization ... It refers to man's desire for fulfillment, namely to the tendency for him to become actually in what he is potentially: to become everything that one is capable of becoming ..."
obviously this is self explanatory.
From pages 127-128 of his 1987 book entitled Motivation and Personality, Maslow refers to a self-actualized person as to having in touch to his inherent goodness; and he even states that self actualization stresses full humanness, the development of the biologically based nature of man.
If that is self-explanatory, then how could one account the innateness in goodness of cannibalism To me, that is too far fetched
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I just replied above about the nature of good and evil which are both variable in societies.
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But according to Maslow himself is that ONLY A FEW people are actually Self-actualized Why is that so
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Post by Always on Oct 11, 2006 4:34:39 GMT 10
[/color][/size][/quote] That is because theists as you earlier said believes in capitalism. When Karl Marx said dethrone God, it has a double meaning.
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Oh now, it has double-meaning
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Post by rafael on Oct 14, 2006 4:23:18 GMT 10
Yes, if karl marx denounced "God" and religion, .......
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Post by Always on Oct 14, 2006 12:53:46 GMT 10
1. If Karl Marx denounced "God" and religion, ....... 2. By definition, theistic religion is a necessary institution must exist and cannot NOT exist. 3. Therefore, if religion exists, then God must exist and cannot not exist
It is like saying : if there are triangles, then they must have three sides. Of course, there may not be any triangles (religions) But according to Karl Marx it is, since he denounced it (religion) in the first place
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Post by rafael on Oct 17, 2006 3:10:54 GMT 10
Wherein such move by both Lenin and Marx to socialism occurs because of them thought that capitalism was doomed to fail. But what happened
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Yes, there was a succesful gap between the rich and the poor. the rich becomes richer and the poor becomes poorer.
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And do you blame God for that Or would you rather believe on what Proverb 16:8 says; "Better a little with righteousness than much gain with injustice." [/quote]
As i understand, your bible promoted sharing and not capitalism. It denounces rich people and declares hell for them.I donot blame anyone, i only see the world in a more relistic way that in capitalism the rich becomes richer while the poor becomes poorer. This is one type of oppression disguising itself with comfort.
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Post by rafael on Oct 17, 2006 3:19:56 GMT 10
Self-Actualization is rightfully defined as to a person who is in touch with his inherent goodness as a need that can be attended to only after this individual has satisfied his lower needs--namely, physiological, safety, social and ego needs. This person must satisfy these needs before he can truly declare himself to be mentally healthy
The skeptics believed in humanism, elevating man in his best capacity to rule himself, and others therefore inherent goodness among skeptics are not uncommon.
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Post by rafael on Oct 17, 2006 3:24:01 GMT 10
But according to Maslow himself is that ONLY A FEW people are actually Self-actualized Why is that so The more skeptics would insist on humanism to prove a visible dcenomination to all of man's objectives and goals if according to Maslow only a few are actualized. Can you blame them if they elevate leaders to pedestals?
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Post by rafael on Oct 17, 2006 3:24:44 GMT 10
1. If Karl Marx denounced "God" and religion, ....... 2. By definition, theistic religion is a necessary institution must exist and cannot NOT exist. 3. Therefore, if religion exists, then God must exist and cannot not exist
It is like saying : if there are triangles, then they must have three sides. Of course, there may not be any triangles (religions) But according to Karl Marx it is, since he denounced it (religion) in the first place You can clarify the real meaning of "denounciations"
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Post by Always on Oct 17, 2006 5:45:03 GMT 10
Bro. Rafael, how could I? There is no such thing as "denounciations" as you say there is
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Post by Always on Oct 17, 2006 6:02:02 GMT 10
As i understand, your bible promoted sharing and not capitalism. It denounces rich people and declares hell for them.I donot blame anyone, i only see the world in a more relistic way that in capitalism the rich becomes richer while the poor becomes poorer. This is one type of oppression disguising itself with comfort. Well, your understanding is antiquated and need to be changed in a clearer note. the Bible specifically promotes free market system, private ownership and stewardship of property is assumed to be the proper state of affairs throughput the Bible as in reference to Deuteronoy 8; Ruth 2; Isaiah 65:21-22 and a lot more. And this said right to property stems from our duty to work; and after such fruition then man has the capacity whether to share it or not base on the FreeWill he has which is inherent to freedom
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Post by Always on Oct 17, 2006 6:14:19 GMT 10
The skeptics believed in humanism, elevating man in his best capacity to rule himself, and others therefore inherent goodness among skeptics are not uncommon.
It still does not change the fact on why the others are not basiog from this inherent goodness
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Post by Always on Oct 17, 2006 6:30:19 GMT 10
The more skeptics would insist on humanism to prove a visible dcenomination to all of man's objectives and goals if according to Maslow only a few are actualized. Can you blame them if they elevate leaders to pedestals?
If to question something that is not consistent is to blame then so be it But again, give me a good reason on why others are not inherently good And how about the people in a cannibalistic societies--where is the inherent goodness in them Where do you base that fact that cannibalism is morally wrong? Man is what he eats? Btw, one of Europe's most influential thinkers Feuerbach makes his famous statement: Der Mensch ist was er isst .
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Post by rafael on Oct 19, 2006 2:52:55 GMT 10
Bro. Rafael, how could I? There is no such thing as "denounciations" as you say there is
Karl Marx denounced religion.
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Post by rafael on Oct 19, 2006 2:54:44 GMT 10
The skeptics believed in humanism, elevating man in his best capacity to rule himself, and others therefore inherent goodness among skeptics are not uncommon.
It still does not change the fact on why the others are not basiog from this inherent goodness
because as i said, morality differs form one culture to another
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Post by rafael on Oct 19, 2006 2:56:41 GMT 10
As i understand, your bible promoted sharing and not capitalism. It denounces rich people and declares hell for them.I donot blame anyone, i only see the world in a more relistic way that in capitalism the rich becomes richer while the poor becomes poorer. This is one type of oppression disguising itself with comfort. Well, your understanding is antiquated and need to be changed in a clearer note. the Bible specifically promotes free market system, private ownership and stewardship of property is assumed to be the proper state of affairs throughput the Bible as in reference to Deuteronoy 8; Ruth 2; Isaiah 65:21-22 and a lot more. And this said right to property stems from our duty to work; and after such fruition then man has the capacity whether to share it or not base on the FreeWill he has which is inherent to freedom That is the trouble, man abused his free will to oppress others and when they have, still crave for more, and that is not an ethical principle.
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Post by rafael on Oct 19, 2006 2:59:57 GMT 10
Isnt it, that man is what he thinks?
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 3:23:11 GMT 10
Nope
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 3:25:10 GMT 10
That is the trouble, man abused his free will to oppress others and when they have, still crave for more, and that is not an ethical principle.
What man abuses is his freedom and not his freeWill
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Post by Always on Nov 11, 2006 3:27:23 GMT 10
because as i said, morality differs form one culture to another
But still you could not provide me a clear answer on why there is no self-actualization present in a cannibalistic society
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