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Post by Always on May 3, 2009 0:21:28 GMT 10
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NAKARAAN: Napag-aralan natin ang mangyayari sa mga katawan ng mga taong namatay na at sa mga naiwang buhay pa. Alam na natin dahil sa mga salita ng Diyos na ang katawan ng lahat ng tao ay babalik sa lupa kapag ito ay namatay maging sa masasama(wicked) at mabubuting(beleivers) mga tao. Alam na din natin na magiging iba na ang katawan ng mga faithfuls maging iyon namatay man o mga buhay ng madadatnan ni Kristo. Ang mga heavenly bodies na ito ay bilang biyaya o gantimpala(rewards) dahil sa kanilang walang sawang pananalig sa Diyos; samantala, ang mga wicked naman ay itatapon sa Lake of Fire bilang parusa sa kanilang kasamaan. Ang mga namatay ay itatapong kaluluwa lang sa dahilang ang mga katawan nila tuald ng sinabi ng Diyos ay babalik sa lupa at mga dadatnan namang mga buhay pa ay lalamunin ng apoy na nagmula sa Diyos bago itatapon ang ang mga ito sa dagat-dagatang apoy na hindi gigisingin o babaguhin man lang ang kanilang mga katawan.
NGAYON ang pag-aaralan naman natin ay kung paano ako nakakasiguro na hindi na nga babaguhin o gigisingin man lang ang mga katawan ng mga wicked na tao. Ano ba ang pinaka-popular na verse sa Bible? Hint? Matatagpuan ito sa Libro ni Juan Korek Ka Jan KApatid!
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Ang ibig sabihin ng verse sa itaas kung ano ang makakamit ng taong faithful sa Diyos:
Rewards: Eternal Life & The Kingdom of God
at paano ipagkakamit ng Diyos ang Eternal Life sa kanyang mga anak?
Rewards: Heavenly Body in "spirit form"
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Post by Always on May 3, 2009 0:26:17 GMT 10
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Bro. Delta, totoo na bago natin makakamit ang Eternal Life at makakapasok sa Kaharian ng Diyos ay kailangan natin mapalitan at baguhin ang ating katawan o vehikulo(vessels) ng ating mga kaluluwa na para bang bagong silang(usbong). O baket nakakuyukot ang inyong mga noo na para bang namamangha kayong tulad ni Nikodemus. Science Fiction ba o isang misteryo? Hindi ito isang misteryo kung matatandaan nyo pa ba ang sinasabi sa Genesis 1:26.
Then God said, " Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Bro. Rowtide, dito naman papasok ang aking paniniwala about progressive creation na matagal din naming pinag-usapan ni Bro. Rafael. Ito ang evolutionary pattern as God's way of creating dahil hindi nagtatapos sa ating earthly na katawan ang tunay nating imahen(image) na tulad ng sa Diyos at ito ay totoong nakasaad mismo sa Libro ni Juan 4:24.
Kaya ito na Parekoy Migy, MFF Lindsay, Sis LeAnne, Bro. MrExdoBal, Bro. Liberte, Bro. Rafael, Bro Brnd, atbp, ang isa sa mga gusto ninyong malaman kung ano uri ng Heavenly Bodies ang ipapalit sa mga Earthly Bodies ng mga faithfuls at sinabi din ito ni Kristo na tugmang-tugma sa imahen na binanggit sa Genesis. Truly, I will tell you now para wala ng suspense.
YUP - the heavenly bodies of the faithfuls will be in SPIRIT! Being in spirit is our last evolutionary process as originally intended by God to equate into His own image, since God is spirit.
John 4:24 " God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
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Post by Always on May 3, 2009 0:53:08 GMT 10
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Sis Flairly, iyan mismo ang sinabi ng Diyos nang tukuyin Niya ng mga taong believers na kapag sila ay mamamatay ang kanilang mga katawan ay babalik sa lupa samantala ang kanilang mga spiritu ay babalik sa Kanya(Diyos.)
Ecc 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
At alam mo ba Bro. Jiro na pinatunayan din iyan ni Kristo sa Korinto na pagkatapos ng natural ay ang spiritwal na ang susunod.
1Cr 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
At ano ang mga natural o spiritwal na ito Bro. Brnd? Tsaka pala Happy Happy Birthday ha! Tulad ng nasabi ko na sa itaas at sa mga iba ko pang mga postings ay ito ang tunay na intention ng progressive creation ng ating Panginoon na nagmula pa noong ginawa niyang "living soul" si Adam na nagmula sa lupa. At aking tinutukoy ay walang iba kundi ang ating "imahen" at its final phase of our evolutionary process to be and just like God - a Spirit.
At alam mo ba birthday celebrant na ito ay mismong sinabi ulet ni Kristo bilang patunay na that we are born in the image of God.
1Cr 15:49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
Hayan po mga kapatid na maliwanang na maliwanag ang mangyayari sa future ng mga faithfuls na parang summertime na nag-uulan na ang magiging katawan ng mga believers in Christ kapag patungo na sila ng langet ay bilang heavenly spirits at iiwan na ang kanilang mga katawang lupang flesh & blood (1Cr 15:50).
At jan po nagtatapos ang UNAng Lesson natin for the day!
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Post by Always on May 3, 2009 0:55:53 GMT 10
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Ngaun naman ay titingnan natin muli if kasama nga ba ang katawan ng mga wicked na namatay na sa Araw ng Paghuhukom. At unang bersikulong ating gagamitin ay galing sa Libro ng Rebelasyon na kung saan nagsasaad na ang Second Death ay hindi makakaapekto sa mga holy na makakasama sa Unang Resureksyon.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Bro. MrExdoBal, maliwanag ang tinukoy ng bersikulo sa itaas na ang Second Death ay walang bisa sa mga gigisingin o bubuhayin ni Kristo dahil nga ang mga faithfuls ay makakamit nila ang bago nilang katawan bilang gantimpala. Ang katawan na ito ay magiging heavenly bodies in the form of spirit. At bago tau mawala ulet ay ano na nga ba ang Second Death? Brother, ito ay tinatawag ding Spiritual Death so in other words ay ito ang Kamatayang Spiritwal[/u] kung kaya ang spiritu't kaluluwa lang ng tao ang siyang mamatay at itatapon sa Lake of Fire sa dahilan ang First Death, Natural Death, o ang Physical Death ay nauna na ngang nangyari at mangyayari sa mga tao. Ang Diyos mismo ang nagsabi niyan na ang earthy bodies ng mga tao ay dust lamang at natural lang na babalik din sa lupa. Ang sentimiento ito ay isang totoong lohika na maging sa syensiya ay tama sila dito na bilang patunay sa proseso na Diyos lang dati ang nakakaalam kung baket. Kaya Tikya, hindi natin maikakaila ang salita ng Diyos ... ... ... hehehe itutuloy po mamaya ... [/color][/b]
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Post by linsi on May 3, 2009 17:04:33 GMT 10
Philippians 3:21 [Jesus Christ] who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Ok migs and jiro oist replies po, kc Always has the research, how about others?
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Post by linsi on May 3, 2009 17:05:56 GMT 10
Ok hehe--- nasa taas na pala ang isa sa mga sagot--
sabi '" GLORIOUS BODY" therefore merong bodies which are glorious-
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Post by leanne. on May 4, 2009 3:14:14 GMT 10
Ok hehe--- nasa taas na pala ang isa sa mga sagot--
sabi '" GLORIOUS BODY" therefore merong bodies which are glorious-
Honga,kc nung mamatay si Jesus at nabuhay ulet, may body cya, e ang sabi we will be like him.
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Post by Always on May 5, 2009 1:48:35 GMT 10
Yes, we will be like Jesus - in spirit,
because,
we must realize that Jesus is of spirit and not of flesh as in the "Word" became flesh. The "glorious body" is of the spirit as Christ Himself for it is written in many verses that flesh & bone cannot enter the Kingdom of God. It is also written that the spirit would return to God. Another thing as specified in the Bible is that we are the image of God not as man but as spirit.
We would be enveloped in spirit while entering the Kingdom of the Almighty.
Christians must adhere to the fact that we should worship Godvertically and not horizontally. Another fact is that Jesus was not rewarded eternal life to equate His resurrection as that of Judgment Day. Rather, He died on the cross in order to fulfill a mission and not as a sinner to begin with for He is eternal in His original nature. The WORD of God is eternal.
to continue later na lang poh ...
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Post by mrExdobal on May 5, 2009 9:26:07 GMT 10
Always, matuto ka ring tumanggap. Request lang wag mong dominantehin ang aral Si Kristo ay hindi lang Spiritu, may katawan din siya, at ang sinasabi nina Leanne ay literal na kapag sinabing literal ang aspeto ay spiritual at pisikal. Hindi nanganghulugang mali ang aral nila sa kanilang bible studies. No offense. Maaari bang malaman ang kinukuhaan mo ng pilosopya? Hindi ako expert sinabi ko, pero kung aaralin mo si Kristo ang kanyang kamatayan at buhay at buhay na mag-uli, yun ang mamanahin ng mga mananampalataya niya.
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Post by mrExdobal on May 5, 2009 9:35:42 GMT 10
Philippians 3:21 [Jesus Christ] who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Ok migs and jiro oist replies po, kc Always has the research, how about others?
Hindi ako magpapaligoy ligoy, Nung nabubuhay pa si Kristo sa lupa, nakaranas ang kanyang katawan ng pagod. Jesus told him, "Foxes have holes and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to rest." Matthew 8:20 Nakakaranas ang katawan niya ng limitasyon sa paglalakbay. When Jesus arrived in Bethany, Lazarus had already been dead and in the tomb for four days. When Martha discovered that Jesus was on his way, she went out to meet him. "Lord," she said, "if you had been here, my brother would not have died." John 11:1-45 Ibang iba ang kanyang katawan nung muli siyang mabuhay.Yung katawan niya na tinutukoy ko ay yung sagot ko sa tanong na glorious body. At literal na mangyayari yan sa mga mananampalataya dahil ang pinag uusapan ay "katawan" Ang glorious body ay hindi limitado, yun ang sagot ko sa thread na ito. Pis
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Post by mrExdobal on May 5, 2009 9:49:05 GMT 10
Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Gaya nang sagot ko mula sa Matt. 10:28. Ito ay may implikasyon ng parehong spiritual at pisikal. Ang bibliya at spiritual at literal din. Bakit hindi mo matanggap Always ang pisikal na aspeto at tumutukoy ka lang sa spiritual. Paano ang bagong langit at lupa, spiritual lang ang mga tao doon? Hindi may pisikal sila. Kaya nga naisulat na parehong katawan at spiritu ang wawasakin sa impiyerno. Basahin mo ang Matthew 10:28 nang sabihing wag matakot sa mga wawasak ng katawan, ang dapat katakutan ay yung makakawasak ng parehong katawan at spiritual. Maliwanag yan. Kung hindi ito matatanggap, pag katapos ng panahon dun natin makikita kung sinong tama dahil alam kong hindi ito tatanggapin ni Always na magmula pa ay puro spiritual at ayaw ng pisikal. Kaya nga tinatanong ko kung anong pilosopiya niya. Tinatanggap ko ang spiritual na aspeto ngunit tinatanggap ko rin ng sabay spiritual at pisikal. Pis lang
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Post by Always on May 5, 2009 15:11:55 GMT 10
Kaya ang mga Kristiyano minsan ay madaling ataken ng mga skeptiko sa dahilan ng maling paggamit ng bersikulo sa isang talakayan kaya ang pundasyon tuloy ay nagigiba. Ang Mateo 10:28 po ay hindi ukol sa Paghuhukom ng Diyos sa mga tao kundi ito ay ang turo at babala ni Jesus dito na "huwag tayo dapat matakot sa pagsasalita ng Katotohanan kaya dito nagsimula ang 'wag tayo matakot makinig sa magandang balita - the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:20 & 27 ).
The whole chapter in Matthew is about propagation of the Word and the disciples were taught by Jesus Christ not to be afraid in preaching the gospels at 'wag matakot mamatay dahil katawan lang iyan pero mas matakot kayo sa kumikitil ng buhay (living soul = body & soul) na siya din ang nagbigay (Genesis 2:7 )
Ito ay bilang babala ni Kristo sa kanyang mga disciples sa pagsasabi ng totoo(Matthew 10:17/26/27 ).
Totoo na panahon lang ang magsasabi kung mali ako o tama ka sa bersikulong batayan mo na iyong paniniwala pero ilan lang iyan sa tunay na nakasaad sa ipinakita kay Juan sa Isla ng Patmos at ang Libro mismo ng Rebelasyon kung nasaan napakadaming bersikulo bilang batayan kung ano talaga ang magyayari sa Araw ng Paghuhukom = Ang pagbabalik ng spiritu sa Diyos (First Resurrection ) na mababasa sa Revelation 20:6 at ang prosesong Second Death o "Spiritual Death" ay maliwanag na nakasaad sa Revelation 20:14 at ito ay mismong pinatunayan sa Unang Korinto 15:44/46.
1Cr 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
At kung hindi natural body ay anong klaseng "glorious body" and tinutukoy na gantimpala sa mga believers kay Kristo?
Basahin po natin sa may ilaw:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
Anong klaseng glorified body po ang tinukoy? Mula sa 2 bersikulo ay NAPAKAMaliwanag na SPIRITUAL Body ang binanggit di po bah?
Hindi pa poh ba ninyo nakukuha? Okay para mas madali ay sa basic science tayo punta saglit. Ano ang pagkakaiba ng wind element sa earth element? O sa water element sa fire element? Marami dibah pero ano naman ang pagkakaparehas nila bilang kategorya? No idea?
Siempre lahat sila ay puro elemento. Ngayon laro tayo ng replacement game ko at palitan mo ... Nakuha na po bah ninyo? Kaya kayo poh nalilito ay lagi ninyong iniisip na porke spiritwal na ay wala ng katawan - jan kayo nagkakamali dahil nakasaad mismo sa Genesis 1:26-27 na tayo ay ginawa sa image(imahen) ng Diyos.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
At if may imahen ay may hitsura di bah? Kaya ano ang itsura ng Diyos? Ang sagot ...
Spirit!
Kung hindi pa poh maliwanag iyan ay hindi ko na alam kung baket may mga Kristyanong ayaw tanggaping ang katotohanan at marinig ang totoo kaya dapat natin isiping ang Matthew 10:28 dahil mas matakot tayo sa Diyos na kayang kumitil sa ating buhay.
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After reading the above with an open mind try to watch the video clips below and pause your imagination in the 8 seconds of the illustration.
After watching the sequence, what did you see? You could easily take notice of a glorified body in spiritual form of what an individual might look like after ascencion onto the heavens. The entire image has been enveloped by a positive aura(aura of eternal life); whereas, the darkness' aura(the aura of death) is the other way around.
Kaya anong Christian Religions o organisasyon ang nagsasabi na ang Second Death(Spiritual Death ) ay both Pisikal at Spiritwal?
Basahin naman natin ito ng may flashlight:
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Kapag babalik na ang mga spiritu ng mga believers sa Diyos tulad ng sinabi niya sa (Ecclessiates 12:7 ) ay sinabi niya sa taas na bersikulo that Second Death has no power over the spirits returning to God. Again, there is no Christian religions, groups, or any organizations that says 2nd Death is both Physical & Spiritual because the First Death already happened as a physical process or in a natural way (1Cr 15:44 ) as referred above.
Kaya remember lang po natin ang Matthew 10:28 bilang babala ni Kristo at 'wag matakot magsabi ng katotohanan ng walang bahid ng basta basta interpretasyon. Simply because ...
The WORD became FLESH!
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Post by mrExdobal on May 6, 2009 14:28:35 GMT 10
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Post by mrExdobal on May 6, 2009 14:44:07 GMT 10
Ganon din niyaon, ang mga hindi ligtas na napunta sa Hades o sheol o kung anong uri ng kataga ang piliin ay magkakarun din ng katawan bago hatulan- dahil lahat ay babangon na may katawan.Ito ang tinatawag na "katawang binuhay" o resurected body samantalang "glorified body" naman ang sa mga naligtas. Tama maraming nalilinlang at nalalaro ang mga skeptiko ngunit ang mga tinukoy ko sa itaas ay dapat aralin ng isang skeptiko kung siya ay tunay na nag iisip. Nabanggit ko rin ang bagong "Jerusalem" sila ay may tinuring na katawan pa rin "tawaging katawang spiritual na gaya ng kay JesuKristo nung itoy mabuhay mag muli at kumain kasama ang mga disipolo. Kung ang mga Kristyanong naligtas ay babangon na walang katawan hindi nila mahahawakan ang tinapay ngunit may katawan nga.
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Post by Always on May 6, 2009 17:41:40 GMT 10
"Tame, spiritual na katawan- baka sabihin nam pipilosopo ako- pero bakit kailangang sabihing katawang spiritual kung espirito lang? Kung tutuusin hindi tayo magkahiwalay at nabanggit ko rin na nung mabuhay mag muli si JesuKristo may katawan siya ngunit hindi siya agad nakilala ng kanyang mga disipolo lalo na nung kasabay siyang lumakad sa emmaus, samantalang bago siya mamatay kilalang kilala nila si JesuKristo." Hindi naman poh pamimilosopo iyan at buti naman poh MrExdoBal that you did learn to agree with my premise about spiritual body, which I have been posting lots of the same tone eversince ever even before you posted about the perfect man just recently as relevant to my previous tones. In fact, I waited for Leanne to give further details on that, since she mentioned about Him first when He was resurrected but she didn't research it through but you did. But the finest example is when Mary went to the tomb and found two angels inside; then she met the Gardener and the very next clue about his body was when He uttered in John 20:17:
"Je'sus saith unto her, touch me not(do not touch me); for I am not yet ascended to my Father: ... ..."
See also Luke 24:16,31; but if you truly need the visualization of that sequence simply go to my post about the "Gospels of John" in this same P7 forum.
Enihaw, I am so happy that finally someone did a research on this scenario and at least we now have one(1) to agree upon; and we'll now have grounds to expand this notion. First every one must realize that the spiritual body differs variedly from the spirit within man kaya nga may spiritu at may katawang spiritu. Naalala na ba ninyo ang sabi din ni Kristo na may earthly body at may heavenly body?
Korek ka jan Dong! Ang heavenly body ay walang iba kundi ang spiritual body na siyang mag-i-envelop (aura surrounding) the spirit of a believer ascending to heaven. Dahil babalik na nga ang spiritu sa Diyos at mapapalitan na ang dating katawan kaya kailangan ng panibagong katawan(vessel) para makapasok sa Kaharian ng Diyos.
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Post by Always on May 7, 2009 13:40:32 GMT 10
"Ganon din niyaon, ang mga hindi ligtas na napunta sa Hades o sheol o kung anong uri ng kataga ang piliin ay magkakarun din ng katawan bago hatulan- dahil lahat ay babangon na may katawan.Ito ang tinatawag na "katawang binuhay" o resurected body samantalang "glorified body" naman ang sa mga naligtas." Here we have to learn to agree to disagree in a brotherly way for the meantime that until such time you, the others, and I could be able to present bible studies which are fitting to the premise.
Let me start for now, since I have already posted most of the verses needed to justify my ground. To begin with, I only need one(1) verse to repost and two(2) new verses I would like to intoduce; and they are as follows:
Ecc 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is {the book} of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
I would like P7 readers to reminisce from my previous posts and as stated from the first verse here that when a person dies, his body (earthly vessel) goes back to the ground as his spirit returns to God. Hence, it is universal that all spirits go to heaven, one is for receiving the rewards of salvation and eternal life and the other one is for judgment of spiritual death (John 3:16 ). There is a sequence to which the faithfuls in Christ go first to Heaven to receive their rewards (Revelation 20:4 ) followed by the unbelievers who yet have to wait a thousand years (Revelation 10:5 ) before they are judge by God of their iniquities (Revelation 20:12).
Tiyak nagtataka kayo kung baket ko nasabing na pati ang mga spirit ng masasama ay pupunta ng langet noh? Simple lang poh dahil ang sinabi ng Diyos sa Ecclesiastes ay parehong tugma sa Natural Law ng science at ng Kanyang Universal Law.- Pagde-decay ng patay - Natural Law
- ALL Spirits go to Heaven - Universal Law
Ang Heaven na aking tinutukoy dito ay hindi ang Kaharian ng Diyos kundi ito ang lugar tulad ng pagtatagpo Niya kay Lucifer tungkol kay Job; pero para mas lalo ninyong maliwanagan ay ito ang metaporo na binanggit ni Jesus sa mga nagtatanong sa Kanya kung ano ang hitsura ng Kaharian ng Diyos na mababasa sa Lukas 13:25 . At ano naman kaya ang pinagbasehan kong salita ng Diyos at y ko nasabi naman ito? Dito na po papasok ang pangalawang bersikulo aking binanggit sa itaas na galing sa ipinakita kay Juan doon sa Isla ng Patmos. Pakibasa na lang po ulet.
Maliwanag na ang nakasulat sa (Revelation 20:11 ) na ang langet(heaven) at lupa(earth) ay wala na(fled away) at hindi mo na sila makikita.
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.[/i]" so, if wala na ang langet at lupa ay lohika(logical) lamang ang magsasabi na masusunod ang universal na kautusan ng Diyos na lahat ng spiritu ay babalik sa Kanya either para tumanggap ng gantimpala o mapatawan ng parusa. Hindi ba kayo masasaya dahil tugma at totoo ang sinasabi ng Diyos at meron basehan. Since wala na nga ang langet at lupa ay doon palang sila mabibigyan ng hatol sa harapan ng Diyos. - Former Heaven & Earth no longer in place
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Post by Always on May 12, 2009 12:20:31 GMT 10
Do you any idea that the very first human time-treveller is none other than John of Patmos! What I am about to post here are the very verses that justify one of the consistencies of my faith in God through Ethical Theism. Yes P7ers, ET is the maxim of my faith which I have mentioned more than twice that MrExdoBal might have missed seing my responses by asking about it twice. Hindi poh ako namimilosopong tasyo (minsan lang ) kung kaya ang mga skeptics ay hindi po sa pagmamayabang ay hirap buwagin ang aking pananalig sa pamamagitan ng pinagsama-samang kaalaman sa ibat-ibang avenues of science especially in the area psychology in its philosophical concept of the mind from breath, spirit and soul.
As mentioned beforehand, John of Patmos was indeed a time traveller having bestowed not only the vision of the future apocalypse but also the chance of being in heaven for that certain moment in time.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Here, it seems to be a vision of John seeing the Holy City for the very first time. But this does not account as John being a time traveller until the angel brought him up onto heaven into the future not in his earthly body BUT in the Spirit form or vessel.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Hayan po maliwanag na nag-time travel c John sa future dahil dinala siya mismo ng anghel sa isang grande at mas mataas na langet(mountain) at napakaliwanag din na pumunta siya sa langet bilang spiritu at iniwan ang kanyang katawang lupa. Ito po ang sinasabi kong mga consistencies na nagpapalakas sa aking pananalig at dapat po ay hindi tayo basta-basta gumamit ng mga bersikulo na bilang palamuti lang sa isang paniniwalang walang balanse.
Kung si Juan ay buhay pa ay nun pumunta sa langet ay nasa spirit at hindi sa kanyang katawang lupa; so, ano pa ang dahilan para buhayin ang mga katawang lupa sa paghuhukom sa langet kung ang Diyos mismo ang nagsabi nito na ang mga katawang lupa ay babalik na parang abo'(Ecclessiates 12:7 ). Sa madaling salita, spiritu lang talaga ang makakaakyat ng langet para mabigyan ng gantimpala o parusa at ang pangatlo ay para mabigyan ng pangitain tulad ng nangyari kay Juan.
AT KUNG NAGTATAKA NAMAN KAYO::
* Ang mga taong masasama po ay hahatulan sa langet dahil nga sa nauna kong mga posts bago ito ay wala na ang lumang langet at lupa(Revelation 20:11 ) nang ang mga patay ay babangunin para hahatulan sa kanilang masasamang gawain sa harap ng Great White (Purity) Throne.
* Ang great at high mountain po na tinukoy kung saan dinala si Juan sa kanyang spirit form ay isang simbolo po ng langet na mas mataas at mala-grande(tuktok o top) ang dating tulad po ng nakasaad sa Isaiah 2:2-4 in the Kingdom of God.
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Hayan po at sana ay maliwanag na sa inyong lahat - VOW!
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Post by Always on May 21, 2009 13:10:04 GMT 10
Hell Hath NO Fury Like a Woman Scorned!
~~ The Mourning Bride ~~ Tayong Dalawa Teleserye
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Post by rowtide on May 21, 2009 16:52:46 GMT 10
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Post by viewer on Apr 26, 2011 5:14:53 GMT 10
Jesus as God is everywhere so He did not only go to hell, He is in hell but don't get me wrong. God is everywhere (All Present) but is NOT affected (Transcendent) by anything anywhere thus even if He is in Hell He is NOT affected by the heat in hell. God is above and is separate from everything that He created. he is NOT confined by space or time.
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Post by Always on Apr 26, 2011 14:16:40 GMT 10
Jesus as God is everywhere so He did not only go to hell, He is in hell but don't get me wrong. God is everywhere (All Present) but is NOT affected (Transcendent) by anything anywhere thus even if He is in Hell He is NOT affected by the heat in hell. God is above and is separate from everything that He created. he is NOT confined by space or time.
it is an incomplete statement of the truth when you say, "God is everywhere." I will try to give you a reply that you have never seen or read from another forum or site because there is a big misconception of the term "Omnipresence" of God.
The presence of God in hell is only in essence because God is "All-Knowing." Therefore, God's knowledge is so advance that He does not need to be there as you perceive Him to be because all God needs to implement is his "Ocular Science." It simply means that God is All-Knowing because He is an All-Seeing GOD. Remember, hell was first made as a prison by God for Lucifer and the fallen angels; thus it is liken to a prison in which all prisoners are being watched by only one method.
Earthly science suggests that prisoners are being watched via the watchful eyes of prison guards and digital video/media devices whilst God needs only his science in ocular knowledge.
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Post by viewer on Apr 27, 2011 2:12:55 GMT 10
what you have is Christian Science of Eli Soriano. I remember him argue like what you have noted above. Here are the Biblical Proofs that God's presence is everywhere not because He ONLY Knows everything but HE is everywhere literally. "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me. If I say, “Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, and the light around me will be night,” even the darkness is not dark to You, and the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You. (Psalm 139:7-12)"
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Post by viewer on Apr 27, 2011 2:17:36 GMT 10
He is not like man that is limited by space and time. He literally FILLS the whole universe that's why nothing is hidden from Him.
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Post by viewer on Apr 27, 2011 2:45:14 GMT 10
But although GOD is everywhere HE IS TRANSCENDENT. He is beyond the limits of all possible experience and knowledge. He is in all places at all times but HE is separated from all things. He is in hell but hell cannot affect Him for He transcends fire. He is in the deepest sea but He is not affected by water because He transcends water and everything He just created
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Post by Always on Apr 27, 2011 4:36:37 GMT 10
what you have is Christian Science of Eli Soriano. I remember him argue like what you have noted above. Here are the Biblical Proofs that God's presence is everywhere not because He ONLY Knows everything but HE is everywhere literally.
Can you please give us a link of Mr. Soriano's argument on that so that I can put more details what Ocular Science is all about. And btw, why do you say God is transcendent and yet you are confining God to be everywhere literally? When you say literally then it simply means that you are confining God to be near evil.
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Post by Always on Apr 27, 2011 4:57:42 GMT 10
"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me. If I say, “Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, and the light around me will be night,” even the darkness is not dark to You, and the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You. (Psalm 139:7-12)"
The Holy Bible teaches us that God is opposed to Sin for the simple reason that He is Holy and Righteous; thus He can not be near Evil. And Habakkuk 1:13 of the New King Jame Version teaches us just that.
"[You are] of purer eyes than to behold evil, And cannot look on wickedness. Why do You look on those who deal treacherously, [And] hold Your tongue when the wicked devours A [person] more righteous than he?"
And to add details on what the above verse is all about is that it implicates GOD's MORAL PERFECTION AND HOLINESS. So tell me as to how can God be Holy if he is near evil?
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Post by Always on Apr 27, 2011 5:51:19 GMT 10
He is not like man that is limited by space and time. He literally FILLS the whole universe that's why nothing is hidden from Him. But although GOD is everywhere HE IS TRANSCENDENT. He is beyond the limits of all possible experience and knowledge. He is in all places at all times but HE is separated from all things. He is in hell but hell cannot affect Him for He transcends fire. He is in the deepest sea but He is not affected by water because He transcends water and everything He just created Don't get me wrong my friend because you are correct about God but there is a problem in your application of your belief. Your misconception is misguiding you in such a way that it is not a statement or testament about God's physical presence. In the rendition of John 4:24 of the same version, God is Spirit; therefore He does not have physical presence (LITERALLY ).
My friend, just because God is Transcendent He can be in hell at will--the answer to that is false because as I have previously posted that God is Holy therefore He can not be near sin. And let me redefine how God fills the whole universe.
We all know that God is OmniPresent, which means He is present everywhere but do not take that literally as in in His physical presence.
Jer 23:23(NKJV) "[Am] I a God near at hand," says the LORD, "And not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24(NJKV) Can anyone hide himself in secret places, So I shall not see him?" says the LORD; "Do I not fill heaven and earth?" says the LORD.
Again, can anyone hide himself in secret places like hell so God shall not see? This implies that God needs only to see and observe them without His physical presence in order to know things for he is God from afar watching. And as the movie saying goes .... ..... ...
I CAN SEE YOU
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Post by viewer on Apr 30, 2011 1:13:25 GMT 10
Literal and physical are two different things...
adjective 1. following basic meaning: adhering strictly and concisely to the basic meaning of a word or text a literal interpretation
2. word for word: exactly following the order or meaning of a word or text a literal transcript
3. used to emphasize truth of statement: used to emphasize that something is true It's the literal truth.
4. factual and unimaginative: simple in an unimaginative way that sticks solely to the facts a literal account of the incident
5. using alphabetical letters: involving or expressed by letters of the alphabet
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This is what I mean when the Scriptures say that God is literally in all places at all times...it means that this truth is factual, unimaginative. I didn't mean that God has a physical body for HE is SPIRIT.
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Post by viewer on Apr 30, 2011 1:15:07 GMT 10
God is inside sinful places like disco houses, motels or gambling dens but it doesn't mean that HE is NEAR EVIL for HE is separated from EVIL and Can't tolerate EVIL. His presence doesn't mean that He intermixes Himself with elements whether literal or abstract. A God that is NOT in all places at all times, is NOT the GOD of the Scriptures. That is a God created by human imaginations for the TRUE GOD fills the universe and there is not even an inch in the whole Universe that God is absent. HE is OMNIPRESENT, OMNISCIENT and OMNIPOTENT.
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Post by Always on Apr 30, 2011 12:18:31 GMT 10
Literal and physical are two different things... This is what I mean when the Scriptures say that God is literally in all places at all times...it means that this truth is factual, unimaginative. I didn't mean that God has a physical body for HE is SPIRIT. Of course those are two different things. Then show us a scripture that states that the Spirit of God is in Hell as you say He is everywhere. Because if He is then on Judgment Day when Hell is to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, then, God would be thrown in too since God is everywhere as you take it literaly.
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