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Post by delaine on Jun 7, 2008 22:46:11 GMT 10
hi Always
I think you can help explain things that remain questionable in my mind. I created a multiple site about abnormalities in parents and offsprings.
Why do God allow these things to happen even to those people who believe in him?
And why does it seems the best things happen to people who donot believe in him like financial wealth?
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Post by Always on Jun 9, 2008 14:12:15 GMT 10
"I created a multiple site about abnormalities in parents and offsprings. Why do God allow these things to happen even to those people who believe in him?"
Hello Delaine!
You have good questions at siempre they deserve good answers kaya bear with me on this but I will make my answers simple as possible
Karaniwan nagkakaroon ng abnormalidad sa mga bata ay dahilan na din sa kinalulugaran nila. Naa-alala mo pa ba ang lugar na Smokey Mountain? Maraming pamilya ang mga nakatira dun sa lugar kung saan katabi nila ang bagsakan ng PINAKAbasurahan ng buong Metro Manila. Kaya hindi malayo na ang mga babaeng nagbubuntis ay peligro na makakuha ng saket na mailalapat niya sa kanyang dinadalang bata. Kaya pag ang sanggol ay lumabas ay hindi malayong meron itong diperensya.
"And why does it seems the best things happen to people who donot believe in him like financial wealth?" Before I answer this directly let me continue my premise from the first question since it is correlated with financial wealth. Madali lang sa mga mayayaman ang magdala ng pagbubuntis kasi meron silang perang panggastos sa mga doctor na mag-guide sa kanila. Samantala, ang mga hindi naman kayamanan ay karaniwan nagkakaproblema sa pagsustento sa gastusin nila sa pagbubuntis kaya minsan madalang lang sila pumunta ng doktor para magpatingin. Eh paano na ang mga taong talagang mahihirap tulad sa mga taong nakatira sa mga squatters?
Ang mga mahihirap kasi kapag nagbuntis sila ay karaniwan sa na kanila ang hindi pumunta ng doktor. Ugali na nila ang sundin ang mga kinalakihan nila o pakikinig sa mga nakakatanda sa kanila tulad ng mga magulang o mga kamag-anak - ganito ang inumin mo, ganito ang gawin mo atbp ukol sa pagbubuntis. Kaya minsan kung ano-anu na alang ang iniinom nila habang mga buntis. Doon sa Quiapo minsan maraming gamot para sa pagbubuntis kasi karaniwan hindi sila makabila sa mga botika kaya kapag lumabas ang mga bata ay hindi malayong may diperensiya ang mga heto.
Ang isa naman dahilan kung baket nagkakaroon ng mga abnormalidad ang mga sanggol sa kanilang paglaki ay karaniwang nangyayari ito sa mga talagang mahihirap o kahit sa hindi masyadong kayamanan. Ito ay ang mga tinatawag na mga food supplements o mga vitamins. Totoo na kailangan ng mga sanggol ang mga vitamins lalo na ang tinatawag na "iron" for growth and better bone structure.
Ano ngayon ang problema? Ang nagiging problema dahil nga sa kahirapan ay hindi nagagabayan ng tamang pamamaraan ang mga nagbubuntis. Hindi nila napapainom ang mga sanggol ng mga supplements o mga vitamins sa tamang pamamaraan. Kaya ang resulta minsan ay lumalaki ang mga ulo nila o nagkakaroon sila ng mga diperensiya internally. Totoo na kapag sumobra ang mga magulang sa pagbibigay ng mga iron-vitamins or iron-fortified na mga gatas ay tumataas ang toxic levels nito sa katawan ng mga sanggol at ito ang tinatawag na "Hemocramatosis" na maaring magka conbolsyon o ma-comatose pa. At hindi lang yan, nagkakadiperensiya din ang mga sanggol sa puso, atay, buto atbp na hindi normal sa kanilang paglaki.
Baket ang mga mayayaman ay minsan din nagkakaroon ng anak na mga may diperesiya? Tulad ng kasabihan, kapag inabuso mo ang isang bagay ay tiyak na magdudulot ito ng kasamaan. Sa dahilan alam nilang kaya nilang tumustos ng mga magagaling na doktor ay nababalewala lang sa kanila ang pagbubuntis kaya minsan sa mga taong malakas uminom ng alak o naninigarilyo ay sige pa din sila sa kanilang mga bisyo kahit nagdadalantao na sila. Kaya ang karaniwan resulta ay abnormalidad sa kanilang dinadala.
Kaya sino dapat ang sisisihin - ang Diyos ba o ang tao?
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Post by Always on Jun 9, 2008 14:28:46 GMT 10
"And why does it seems the best things happen to people who donot believe in him like financial wealth?"
To continue...
Hindi naman siguro totoo kasi tingnan mo ang nangyari sa dating U.S.S.R. at na-bankcrupt ito at tingnan mo ngayon ang North Korea, hindi nito halos mapakain ang kanilang mga tao at ang South Korea pa ang nagbibigay sa kanila nga food aid at financial aid para sa kapwa nila Koryano.
Kaya nations without God ay karaniwang hindi successful sa kanilang financial reousrces
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Post by linsi on Jun 10, 2008 0:53:37 GMT 10
can i ask if these afflictions may mean evil or bad which happens to us? , if this is to some extent due to the sinful nature of man?
the main question is was God allowing evil? ( bad things ), which means a good God allows evil particularly ilnesses of all sorts?
if i may add to this, God allows illnesses for many reasons.
John9:1-7 many of the Jews misunderstand the purpose and place of suffering. They assume that suffering must be the consequence of some specific sin. The Pharisees certainly believe this about the man born blind Unfortunately, so do our Lord’s disciples
Some sickness is the result of our own sin (1 Corinthians 5:5; 11:30),
but not all sickness can be traced to personal sin in this way. as what Always' has posted-
Paul was given a “thorn in the flesh” to keep him humble after a marvelous glimpse of heaven (2 Corinthians 12:7).
Physical afflictions can enhance our desire for heaven and focus our attention and affections on the unseen, eternal things that are most important (2 Corinthians 4:16–5:10).
Sickness and suffering can be used of God for purposes not known to us at the time, and perhaps not even in our lifetime. Job’s afflictions, for example, were a part of a much bigger picture, of which Job was not aware
Sickness and affliction may very well be purposed by God to bring glory to Himself.
Jesus deliberately waited for His friend Lazarus to die, rather than heal him of his sickness, for the glory of God (John 11:4).
Peter’s death, of which our Lord speaks in John 21:19, will glorify God.
Joseph’s suffering at the hands of his brothers was for his own good and for the good of his family (see Genesis 50:20).
Paul certainly saw his sufferings in this light (Philippians 1:12-26; Colossians 1:24-29).
bakit nga kaya? maraming bagay ang pwedeng isagot at hindi rin pwedeng sagutin-
but this is the message i got to reply in here-
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Post by peng on Jun 11, 2008 13:15:20 GMT 10
Ang hirap arukin napaka hirap naman, sana wala na ngang sakit kaya naman nagkakaganun ang mga taga smokey mountain dahil sa kahirapan, at kaya mahirap dahil din sa pagpapabaya ng gobyerno, bakit pinapayagan ng Diyos kaya yan, hindi ba makapangyarihan Siya? Pwede rin niyang baguhin ang pangyayari.
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Post by rafael on Jun 12, 2008 0:13:00 GMT 10
hindi ba makapangyarihan Siya? Pwede rin niyang baguhin ang pangyayari. Suppose to be.
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Post by rowtide on Jun 12, 2008 15:08:48 GMT 10
Kung wang kasamaan, walang laban, mukhang walang kwenta rin.
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Post by Always on Jun 13, 2008 13:05:27 GMT 10
The term FreeWill usually equates with Freedom and that is what it should be.
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Post by rafael on Jun 17, 2008 1:17:24 GMT 10
But god knows which you would choose, and he knows the choice will be a disaster, then why put man into such a vulnerable state? What for is such a freechoice when he knows it already?
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Post by Always on Jun 18, 2008 13:14:12 GMT 10
Your argument wrongly implies that nothing is better than something. Because if:
1. God knows everything 2. So God knew evil would occur when he created the world. 3. God had other nonevil possibilities. God could have:
a) not created anything, b) created a world without free creatures, c) created free creatures that would not sin, d) created free creatures who would sin but would all be saved in the end.
4. Hence, God could have created a world that did not include either evil or hell.
Now, would it be better for nothing to have existed than for some evil to exist? As you see with an open mind, that simpy overlooks the fact the things created were good and it was good for them just like us to merely exist. That good could not have been if God had not created. Hence, your argument makes no sense because in effect, it would have been morally better for God to have made a nonmoral world.
BUT what has no morality attached to it cannot be either better or worse. Kaya nasaan ang moral status? Kaya gagamitin mo ba ang freedom to choose evil?
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Post by rafael on Jun 20, 2008 1:19:47 GMT 10
Have a point! but a supposedly all-powerful god has allowed evil to overwhelm man in its weaknesses. Read in the papers about crimes and again innocent people fall victims with no choices left but to perish.Shall I post crimes in details? About children, women and ordinary even pious men destined to insanity and losing.
If you would insist in freechoice again in christian terms, the way i see it, man is to perish, because the way to damnation is easy. Just look at your verse which says For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life. Yet you insist of a freechoice which seems to have no freedom at all.
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Post by rafael on Jun 20, 2008 1:22:27 GMT 10
AFGHANISTAN: “I sold my daughter to feed the rest of my family” Sayed Ali said he had to sell his daughter to save the rest of his family from starvation. Read that article www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=78276 and tell me how freechoice works.Was the father given good choices? It is miserable.
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Post by migy on Jun 21, 2008 2:58:44 GMT 10
We are the ones who took choices in life, either bad or good...
Since God gave us Freewill, for HE DID NOT MADE US ROBOTS!!!
You have your own Freewill to choose one!
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Post by rafael on Jun 23, 2008 7:03:49 GMT 10
migy, you did not anwer my question.
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 14:05:59 GMT 10
"Have a point! but a supposedly all-powerful god has allowed evil to overwhelm man in its weaknesses. Read in the papers about crimes and again innocent people fall victims with no choices left but to perish.Shall I post crimes in details? About children, women and ordinary even pious men destined to insanity and losing."
But then who committed these crimes - Man not God Man chooses to do bad instead of doing good. Why do you think people committed these crime, is it because there is no god or is it because God willed them to do so?
Do you know why lepers lose their fingers, toes, and noses? Usually it has nothing to do with leprosy itself. Rather the desease causes them to lose feelings in their extremities and they literally destroy themselves. As you see, PAIN also keeps us from self-destruction.
While it may seem a high price to pay, some evil helps to bring about greater good. The Bible gives several examples of these in men like Noah, Joseph, Job, and yes even Samson. Each went through real suffering. How else would the nation of Israel survived the famine and had a refuge in which to grow if Joseph had not been sold into slavery by his brothers and imprisoned unjustly? Therefore, it is unjustly to ask why does God allow evil but it is more meaningful to ask as to what is God's purpose for evil.
Let there be Light! Creation can not be done without evil and even in Chinese Philosophy believes this so - the Yin and the Yang -wherein the human perceptions of phenomena in the natural world combining to create a unity of opposites in the theory of Taiji. Sometime ago, I posted an opinion about black holes being a world of chaos and yes, even in our own galaxy, there is a black hole in the middle of it. Soon our own galxy will eat up a smaller galaxy and if eating one can surely cause destruction as evil itself, by way of creating a larger and stable one. This is in the same analogy about corporate mergers, buy-outs and acquisitions, (which I do btw in real life) wherein the staffs of a smaller company may think it is evil for a takeover because it may jeopardize their jobs. But in reality, it is done because of feasibility.
So, in the end, why people makes mistakes? Well, in order for them to learn lessons from them(mistakes) just like the brothers of Joseph as stated in Genesis 50:20 wherein Jospeh summarrized the matter when he told his brothers "You meant evil against me, but God meant it for Good."
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Post by Always on Jun 25, 2008 14:17:08 GMT 10
"If you would insist in freechoice again in christian terms, the way i see it, man is to perish, because the way to damnation is easy. Just look at your verse which says For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life. Yet you insist of a freechoice which seems to have no freedom at all." It seems that you do not know the full definition (in reality) of freedom itself and how it correlates with rights and wrongs Yes, the gate may be small because I always believe that not all humankind are children of God. That narrow field will lead us to a path into an evolution of a new life.
Please tell us what is your definition of freedom
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Post by rafael on Jul 10, 2008 19:40:27 GMT 10
What you said maybe true, but there is such a thing as sucide which is on the rise where people could not stand depression brought about by allowing evil to distort their lives.
How can you explain mercy killing or euthanasia when people chose death over a life suffering pain which is also executed and permitted by other countries and medical practitioners?
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Post by Always on Jul 12, 2008 0:58:01 GMT 10
"What you said maybe true, but there is such a thing as sucide which is on the rise where people could not stand depression brought about by allowing evil to distort their lives."What kind of evil are you talking about--natural evil or man-made? If you know the answer to that, then, please tell us if suicide is based on psychological or economical one "How can you explain mercy killing or euthanasia when people chose death over a life suffering pain which is also executed and permitted by other countries and medical practitioners?"I hope this is not a guessing game again Tell us which countries are you talking about and who are these medical practitioners being authorized to do so in order for my comeabout ?
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Post by P7er on Jul 14, 2008 12:36:06 GMT 10
Hi all,
Thank you Always and Lindseay for the efforts to answer, I will always read here from time to time, and will still ask some more. I hope i donot lose my faith.
Rafael's question about the father in Afghanistan is breaking me. Hope it can be explained more , it makes me very sad. My questions are, regardless of religion i think countries like Afghanistan also have people with faith, but too much resrictions holds them. Their choices are slim as if God abandons them. Don't they lose faith in God? Don't they feel neglected by God? Afghanistan is a Moslem country but it looks like worse than Communism, or aren't they?
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Post by P7er on Jul 14, 2008 12:37:54 GMT 10
AFGHANISTAN: “I sold my daughter to feed the rest of my family” Sayed Ali said he had to sell his daughter to save the rest of his family from starvation. Read that article www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=78276 and tell me how freechoice works.Was the father given good choices? It is miserable.
I am caught by the question.
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Post by Always on Jul 14, 2008 14:56:09 GMT 10
Hello Startred!
First of all as I pointed out to Rafael, it is man that committed the wrongdoings and not God. And if you thoroughly read the article, you may ruminate at first but you'll notice that as you go by, the culprit (father) is an illiterate man.
This is not to say that just because you're an illiterate, you're already a sinner - no! Even a person who could not read or could not write does not mean he couldn't understand (listen & hear) things. He married someone; therefore, he understands all the consequences including beliefs which were handed down through tradition and word of mouth within the bondage of SHARIA. As within, it is the body of ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS LAW for it is the legal framework that deals with many aspect of day-to-day life.
Tulad na din ng mga Filipino na kahit no read/no write ay alam nilang masama ang mang reyp ng tao o nakawan man ito. Ang pagiging illiterate ay hindi magandang dahilan para ikaw ay gumawa ng kasamaan tulad ng ginawa nitong tatay sa pagbebenta ng kanyang anak na may halong kaparusahan sa batas ng sharia o shara'a based on their way of belief and practices.
At bawal din sa kanila ang mag-anak ng marami kundi nila kayang sustentuhan ang mga bata. Ganyan ang karaniwan problema ng mga Filipinos sa mga squatter na nagmula pa sa kung saan probinsya. Hindi masama ang mangarap kasi libre naman sa atin iyan eh kaso wag mandamay at kapag nakakatikim na nang paghihirap at hindi na kayang pakainin ang mga anak at sustentuhan pamilya ay hindi ang sarili ang kanilang sinisisi kundi ang iyon nasa itaas (hindi po bubong ane' kundi ang Diyos :. Tama ba naman yun?
Kaya sino dapat ang sisisihin sa mga pangyayari :
[ ] Ang ama na nagbenta? [ ] Ang nagpalaki sa ama? [ ] Ang mga anak? [ ] Ang relihiyon na kanyang kinalakihan? [ ] Ang komyunidad na kanyang kinagisnan? [ ] And Diyos? [ ] O wala sa itaas?
at kung ano man ang inyong sagot laging iisipin na ang tao ang pumipili ng kanyang buhay at hindi ang Diyos. Maari nakatakda ang ganito mong buhay kung titingnan ng Diyos ang iyong kapalaran pero laging iisipin na ikaw din ay kaya mong basahin ang iyong tadhana at maaring baguhin din ito.
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Post by delaine on Jul 14, 2008 22:19:28 GMT 10
My thanks also for the answers Always,
I hope it will not be too much to ask some more along the way. I know the topic is not about salvation but in your POV, how will God judge the action of the father who sold her daughter?
All are welcome to answer.
Delaine
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Post by delaine on Jul 14, 2008 22:27:50 GMT 10
This is very hard to accept. Sometimes our belief and trust in God crumbles. Instead of getting strong we become desperate .
can i ask if these afflictions may mean evil or bad which happens to us? , if this is to some extent due to the sinful nature of man?
the main question is was God allowing evil? ( bad things ), which means a good God allows evil particularly ilnesses of all sorts?
if i may add to this, God allows illnesses for many reasons.
John9:1-7 many of the Jews misunderstand the purpose and place of suffering. They assume that suffering must be the consequence of some specific sin. The Pharisees certainly believe this about the man born blind Unfortunately, so do our Lord’s disciples
Some sickness is the result of our own sin (1 Corinthians 5:5; 11:30),
but not all sickness can be traced to personal sin in this way. as what Always' has posted-
Paul was given a “thorn in the flesh” to keep him humble after a marvelous glimpse of heaven (2 Corinthians 12:7).
Physical afflictions can enhance our desire for heaven and focus our attention and affections on the unseen, eternal things that are most important (2 Corinthians 4:16–5:10).
Sickness and suffering can be used of God for purposes not known to us at the time, and perhaps not even in our lifetime. Job’s afflictions, for example, were a part of a much bigger picture, of which Job was not aware
Sickness and affliction may very well be purposed by God to bring glory to Himself.
Jesus deliberately waited for His friend Lazarus to die, rather than heal him of his sickness, for the glory of God (John 11:4).
Peter’s death, of which our Lord speaks in John 21:19, will glorify God.
Joseph’s suffering at the hands of his brothers was for his own good and for the good of his family (see Genesis 50:20).
Paul certainly saw his sufferings in this light (Philippians 1:12-26; Colossians 1:24-29).
bakit nga kaya? maraming bagay ang pwedeng isagot at hindi rin pwedeng sagutin-
but this is the message i got to reply in here-
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Post by Always on Jul 15, 2008 0:50:53 GMT 10
"... how will God judge the action of the father who sold her daughter?"
Hahabaan ko ng kaunti ha?
Ms. Delaine, I am a star trek fan and I collected most of them including the ones with Mr. Spock. And I remember this line as follow: "The needs of the many outweight the need of one."
Ang ganda dibah? Totoo na nagkasala ang tatay dahil sa pangagailangan ng nakakarami ngunit nakagawa pa din siya ng pagkakamali. Dahil sa doktrina ng Islam, ang kasalanan is an act and not a state of being at sa libro ng Quran nakasaad sa tipan ng Sura ang limang (5) grado ng kasalanan. Ang tatay na nagbenta ng sariling anak committed ng apat (4) na klase ng kasalanan.
Ang apat na kasalanan na kanyang nagawa ay ang sumusunod:
1] Sayyia, Khatia" mistakes (RE: 7:168; 17:31; 40:45; 47:19 48:2) 2] Itada, Junah, Dhanb: immorality (RE: Suras 2:190,229; 17:17 33:55) 3] Haram: transgressions (RE: Suras 5:4; 6:146) 4] Ithm, Dhulam, Fujur: wickedness and deprvity (RE: Suras 2:99, 205; 4:50, 112, 123, 136; 12:79; 38:62; 82:14)
Ngaun, paano na siya paparusahan ng Diyos (Allah)? Oo nagkasala siya at liable siya sa judgment ni Allah pero nakasaad din sa Quran na maari ding malinis at ma-purify ang lahat ng kanyang kasalanan (RE: Qur'an 2:174) at muling magbalik loob ke Allah kasi Qur'an teaches that the main way back to Allah is through genuine tawbah (repentance) which literally means 'to return') through divine grace kaya sa puntong ito ay ang tanging Diyos lang ang nakakaalam nito.
Kaya uulitin ko at ang sagot ko sa tanong mo ay ang tanging Diyos lamang ang nakakaalam at kung ano and nararapat na kaparusahan kung meron man sa dahilang si Allah lang ang makakabasa ng kanyang puso at konsensya.
Ginamit ko ang Islam sa iyong pagsagot sa dahilang isang muslim ang taong tinukoy sa paksa pro ang sagot ko ay hindi nalalayo kung Christian point of view ang aking ginamit sa dahilang halos parehas din ang kani-kaniyang pagpapatawad sa isnag nilikhang nagkasala
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Post by leanne. on Jul 15, 2008 17:06:10 GMT 10
Ano ba yan haba na ng usapan d2
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Post by migy on Jul 15, 2008 20:29:33 GMT 10
Hi Rafael, Hope i could enourage you by sharing about God's Word for People who believes in Him. We cannot even blame God for He also stated our Free Choices in life... Good or Bad - you can name what you wanted to choose... I believed that a Christian who accept God thru Christ Jesus will not do such practice or decisions like that, but since the Muslim belief and choice goes for starvation and foretell that HE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHOICE... is a totally human excuse and not the Will of the Lord... in Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. AFGHANISTAN: “I sold my daughter to feed the rest of my family” Sayed Ali said he had to sell his daughter to save the rest of his family from starvation. Read that article www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=78276 and tell me how freechoice works.Was the father given good choices? It is miserable.
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Post by rafael on Jul 17, 2008 4:42:03 GMT 10
Hi Rafael, Hope i could enourage you by sharing about God's Word for People who believes in Him. We cannot even blame God for He also stated our Free Choices in life... Good or Bad - you can name what you wanted to choose... I believed that a Christian who accept God thru Christ Jesus will not do such practice or decisions like that, but since the Muslim belief and choice goes for starvation and foretell that HE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHOICE... is a totally human excuse and not the Will of the Lord... in Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. AFGHANISTAN: “I sold my daughter to feed the rest of my family” Sayed Ali said he had to sell his daughter to save the rest of his family from starvation. Read that article www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=78276 and tell me how freechoice works.Was the father given good choices? It is miserable.
There is no problem in what you believe migy, the problem is society itself which seems to be extremely fanatic .Lack of knowledge destroys people and fanaticism kills.
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Post by rafael on Jul 17, 2008 4:44:04 GMT 10
This is very hard to accept. Sometimes our belief and trust in God crumbles. Instead of getting strong we become desperate . I have stated about people ending up in suicide and until now there is no answer to it in this thread.
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Post by rafael on Jul 17, 2008 4:50:54 GMT 10
"If you would insist in freechoice again in christian terms, the way i see it, man is to perish, because the way to damnation is easy. Just look at your verse which says For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life. Yet you insist of a freechoice which seems to have no freedom at all." It seems that you do not know the full definition (in reality) of freedom itself and how it correlates with rights and wrongs Yes, the gate may be small because I always believe that not all humankind are children of God. That narrow field will lead us to a path into an evolution of a new life.
Please tell us what is your definition of freedom If you believe that man is imperfect then you must believe that he is incapable of doing right most of the time thus chosing to do the wrong and yet "the gates are small and the roads are difficult" what do you expect to happen? When man is given freedom we must expect it to be a state free from restraint but things happen in contrast. I am not against the concept of good or new life but the process itself fails to give man the success to attain it.
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Post by Always on Jul 17, 2008 10:43:23 GMT 10
"If you believe that man is imperfect then you must believe that he is incapable of doing right most of the time thus chosing to do the wrong and yet ..." Still your statement proves that man being imperfect is also capable of doing what is right SOME OF THE TIME
"... and yet "the gates are small and the roads are difficult" what do you expect to happen? ..."
For it is written in the Bible that not all would be saved
"... When man is given freedom we must expect it to be a state free from restraint but things happen in contrast. I am not against the concept of good or new life but the process itself fails to give man the success to attain it."
This is the very reason why you're having a hard time grasping the tenets of freedom. I asked you to define it but you didn't oblige and now I know why. As you can see, IT IS NOT freedom when you put a restraint (restriction) on someone's will.
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