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Post by Always on Jul 17, 2008 10:52:11 GMT 10
This is very hard to accept. Sometimes our belief and trust in God crumbles. Instead of getting strong we become desperate . I have stated about people ending up in suicide and until now there is no answer to it in this thread.
Because in order to give you a justified answer, you must justify your question first LET ME REPOST IT FOR YOU just in case of desseleting again:
"What you said maybe true, but there is such a thing as sucide which is on the rise where people could not stand depression brought about by allowing evil to distort their lives."What kind of evil are you talking about--natural evil or man-made? If you know the answer to that, then, please tell us if suicide is based on psychological or economical one "How can you explain mercy killing or euthanasia when people chose death over a life suffering pain which is also executed and permitted by other countries and medical practitioners?"I hope this is not a guessing game again Tell us which countries are you talking about and who are these medical practitioners being authorized to do so in order for my comeabout ?
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Post by Always on Jul 17, 2008 11:01:09 GMT 10
"There is no problem in what you believe migy, the problem is society itself which seems to be extremely fanatic .Lack of knowledge destroys people and fanaticism kills."
So if you are now saying that the problem is society itself, then how can you counsel such evil? And if you are gonna run away again with this as you did in the other topic about psychological guilt then lack of knowledge destroys one's fanaticism
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Post by rafael on Jul 18, 2008 2:18:32 GMT 10
[/b] How could you categorize suicide? Suicide is simply ending one's life. A retreat or surrender.
Have you read about patients who went under mercy killings?
2300 patients who formally request euthanasia each year, Dutch physicians administer lethal doses to 1000 patients who have not explicity and persistently asked to have their lives terminated. Some 400 of those never raised the issue. That finding has caused disquiet among policy makers in the Netherlands, where the government is expected to decide soon whether to legalise euthanasia.
In most of the 1000 cases, the physicians believed they were complying with the patients' wishes, says van der Maas. But they had been unable to discuss the issue of euthanasia fully with the patient.
The 405 doctors interviewed for the study overwhelmingly supported euthanasia: 54 per cent had themselves injected lethal doses or had provided patients with medicine to take their own lives. A further 34 per cent said that they would be willing to perform euthanasia under certain conditions.
Even if this is considered illegal.www.newscientist.com/article/mg13217901.400-dutch-doctors-call-for-legal-euthanasia-.html
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Post by Always on Jul 18, 2008 6:48:38 GMT 10
How could you categorize suicide? Suicide is simply ending one's life. A retreat or surrender.
Hay yay yay ok lemme rephrase the question. Under what circumstances as to why suicide is committed?
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Post by Always on Jul 18, 2008 7:09:40 GMT 10
How could you categorize suicide? Suicide is simply ending one's life. A retreat or surrender.
Have you read about patients who went under mercy killings?
2300 patients who formally request euthanasia each year, Dutch physicians administer lethal doses to 1000 patients who have not explicity and persistently asked to have their lives terminated. Some 400 of those never raised the issue. That finding has caused disquiet among policy makers in the Netherlands, where the government is expected to decide soon whether to legalise euthanasia.
In most of the 1000 cases, the physicians believed they were complying with the patients' wishes, says van der Maas. But they had been unable to discuss the issue of euthanasia fully with the patient.
The 405 doctors interviewed for the study overwhelmingly supported euthanasia: 54 per cent had themselves injected lethal doses or had provided patients with medicine to take their own lives. A further 34 per cent said that they would be willing to perform euthanasia under certain conditions.
Even if this is considered illegal.www.newscientist.com/article/mg13217901.400-dutch-doctors-call-for-legal-euthanasia-.html Well, you said it yourself: "Even if this is considered illegal"
Another thing I noticed in your post was the inconsistency of your answer to your agenda. You posted 'countries' and yet you only mentioned Dutch or in this case Netherlands where in modern times, most of its people are adherents in the beliefs of humanism, atheism, agnosticism, and individual spirituality. A country wherein you can smoke marijuana freely in the street, a country where JOMA Sison(CPP) exiled himself in order to enrich himself by amassing millions from the collection of the poor NPA masses
Do I need to say more?
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Post by rafael on Jul 23, 2008 3:05:05 GMT 10
Places in the World Where Euthanasia or Assisted Suicide are Legal
Netherlands (Green), Belgium (Red), Oregon (Yellow)
www.euthanasia.com/euthanasiamap.html
shall i say more? how about Terri Schiavo's case in Florida?
You can find more.
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Post by Always on Jul 23, 2008 20:32:04 GMT 10
Here is our learning from the topic "Cryonics" goes to work ; and my querry which has been left unanswered for quite some time on the basis as to why a person commits suicide.
TERRI SCHIAVO (12/03/1963 - 3/31/2005)
In the case of Terri Schiavo, the United States House of Representatives passed Bill S. 686 (and Pres. Bush signed it) into law as long as the main provision is justified. The result of being brain death.
LEGALLY DEAD
The above term is considered by MEDICAL profession and supported by LEGAL and ETHICAL consensus that if a person's entire brain is dead, that person is legally dead.
AND DID YOU KNOW? ;D
After Schiavo's death, an autopsy done a day after her death showed extensive damage to both brain and nervous system, and the prior only weighed half the average female of her age.
LAWS OF CAUSALITY
Terry Schiavo's medical distress was caused by her unsupervised weight-loss program under NutriSystem Nourish Diet plan and abused Amenorrhoea contraception method.
So, who was at fault in the first place - God or mankind?
NEXT: The State of OREGON's Death with Dignity Act
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Post by Always on Jul 23, 2008 22:16:40 GMT 10
Rafael, are you not wondering a bit as to why I have been asking you (a lot of times) about the bases of suicide (ie. psychological, economical et at.)?
Well, for the reason I eventually knew that it would come to this posting of mine
DID YOU KNOW?
The studies of Bertolote, Fleischmann, and Wasserman within their research entitled Psychiatric Diagnoses & Suicide, they showed a HIGH INCIDENCE of PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS in suicide victims at a percentile rate of 98% and most of the victims were held into mood disorders and substance abuse as main sources of the problem.
Wow -98% ;D
DID YOU ALSO KNOW?
One of the many provisions in order for Oregon's Euthanasia to be approved is counselling referral (hmmmmn, this reminds me of the argument on how to counsel a society ). Yes, a person even though having a terminal disease with confirmed death within six month must undergo such counselling. A terminal patient must not be suffering of psychiatric/psychological disorder or of depression causing impaired judgment
NOW
Before I continue, do Belgium and Netherlands have this kind of provision?
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Post by rafael on Jul 26, 2008 18:58:40 GMT 10
Have you heard about people in constant agony living with pain desire death as a sweet alternative? Have you considered it? That not all of what you and Lindseay has previously stated about evil brings the same result like that of Job? Have you heard of the world's catastrophic conditions, wether of man's choice as you stated that brings my main argument of a good god allowing evil?Which also reminds me of the father in Aghanistan who sold his daughter to feed the whole family were you try to logically impute justification versus means to meet the end? Let us be technical about this.
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Post by Always on Jul 28, 2008 3:35:20 GMT 10
"Let us be technical about this."
Technical as in what? As in instead of giving me an answer to my query about Belgium and Netherland of their provisions, you escaped and went back to old issues which were already answered. Okay, you may not be satisfied with the answer but then you have to show me additional proof of justification ask to why psychologically the father sold his daughter and the same thing goes to Job's scenario. Just remember that humanist doctrine states that man is inherently good
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Post by leanne. on Jul 28, 2008 13:14:06 GMT 10
Alam nyo sa pagbabasa ko dtio ngayon sa allowing evil makikita na ang justice system ng God ay sobrang lawak. katunayan di ko ma explain
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Post by Always on Jul 28, 2008 13:54:51 GMT 10
Alam nyo sa pagbabasa ko dtio ngayon sa allowing evil makikita na ang justice system ng God ay sobrang lawak. katunayan di ko ma explain
Salamat naman at nakakabusog ng puso na nakikita mo na ang panghuhusga ng Diyos
Mamaya ay magpo-post ako ng isa pang justification ng Diyos tulad ng pagdamay sa mga sanggol at mga bata sa Kanyang wrath
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Post by leanne. on Jul 28, 2008 14:20:33 GMT 10
Eto ang tanong ko, paano kaya ang justice ng God sa mga mentally sick o di kaya dun sa tatay sa afghanistan, (saang thread na nga yun?) pinagbili yung anak, hmm abswelto kaya yun?
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Post by Always on Jul 28, 2008 17:59:27 GMT 10
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Post by migy on Jul 30, 2008 10:23:36 GMT 10
[/quote] There is no problem in what you believe migy, the problem is society itself which seems to be extremely fanatic .Lack of knowledge destroys people and fanaticism kills.
[/quote] Hi Rafael, You know what rafael, indeed you're right about your above's reply...
people perish because of lack of knowledge naman talaga as what has the Bible says..., Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
kaya maganda yang nag aaral tayo, and it is good to share to one another, we are doing our part to know the truth and that Truth will set us free... who is the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (KJV)
and believe me or not, it is Jesus Christ.... John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.John 20: 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Whosoever Denies Jesus Christ…
Mathews 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heavenWhosoever Believed…
John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
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Post by P7er on Aug 3, 2008 16:16:30 GMT 10
"... how will God judge the action of the father who sold her daughter?"
Hahabaan ko ng kaunti ha?
Ms. Delaine, I am a star trek fan and I collected most of them including the ones with Mr. Spock. And I remember this line as follow: "The needs of the many outweight the need of one."
Ang ganda dibah? Totoo na nagkasala ang tatay dahil sa pangagailangan ng nakakarami ngunit nakagawa pa din siya ng pagkakamali. Dahil sa doktrina ng Islam, ang kasalanan is an act and not a state of being at sa libro ng Quran nakasaad sa tipan ng Sura ang limang (5) grado ng kasalanan. Ang tatay na nagbenta ng sariling anak committed ng apat (4) na klase ng kasalanan.
Ang apat na kasalanan na kanyang nagawa ay ang sumusunod:
1] Sayyia, Khatia" mistakes (RE: 7:168; 17:31; 40:45; 47:19 48:2) 2] Itada, Junah, Dhanb: immorality (RE: Suras 2:190,229; 17:17 33:55) 3] Haram: transgressions (RE: Suras 5:4; 6:146) 4] Ithm, Dhulam, Fujur: wickedness and deprvity (RE: Suras 2:99, 205; 4:50, 112, 123, 136; 12:79; 38:62; 82:14)
Ngaun, paano na siya paparusahan ng Diyos (Allah)? Oo nagkasala siya at liable siya sa judgment ni Allah pero nakasaad din sa Quran na maari ding malinis at ma-purify ang lahat ng kanyang kasalanan (RE: Qur'an 2:174) at muling magbalik loob ke Allah kasi Qur'an teaches that the main way back to Allah is through genuine tawbah (repentance) which literally means 'to return') through divine grace kaya sa puntong ito ay ang tanging Diyos lang ang nakakaalam nito.
Kaya uulitin ko at ang sagot ko sa tanong mo ay ang tanging Diyos lamang ang nakakaalam at kung ano and nararapat na kaparusahan kung meron man sa dahilang si Allah lang ang makakabasa ng kanyang puso at konsensya.
Ginamit ko ang Islam sa iyong pagsagot sa dahilang isang muslim ang taong tinukoy sa paksa pro ang sagot ko ay hindi nalalayo kung Christian point of view ang aking ginamit sa dahilang halos parehas din ang kani-kaniyang pagpapatawad sa isnag nilikhang nagkasala
Perhaps ito ang sinasabing grace ng Diyos, kung magkamali man ang tao.
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